If my kid was in school, they wldn't be watching this

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utvolpj said:
you work for a gov't school hamstrung by unions and are surprised they tell you what to teach? That's like complaining the IRS is mandating how you need to do your taxes. Go to a private school and see how much they interfere
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You don't understand! Its not the Math, Science, English, Reading, Social Studies that are in question. If thats all you had to teach, not a problem. Its the liberal agenda that comes along with it. Its the revisionist History and things of this nature.

FWIW, I AM NOT a member of the NEA, its been about 18 years since I was a member. I belong to CEAI and get the same benefits I would if I belonged to the NEA.

BTW, if you don't mind my asking, whats your age?
 
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utvolpj said:
you work for a gov't school hamstrung by unions and are surprised they tell you what to teach? That's like complaining the IRS is mandating how you need to do your taxes. Go to a private school and see how much they interfere
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not sure where you are from, but schools in GA arent union ran, thats for sure
 
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Oldvol75 said:
You don't understand! Its not the Math, Science, English, Reading, Social Studies that are in question. If thats all you had to teach, not a problem. Its the liberal agenda that comes along with it. Its the revisionist History and things of this nature.

FWIW, I AM NOT a member of the NEA, its been about 18 years since I was a member. I belong to CEAI and get the same benefits I would if I belonged to the NEA.

BTW, if you don't mind my asking, whats your age?
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still you're in a public school and they drive the agenda. It makes sense when you look at where it's coming from.

I'm 34yo. I watched my mom teach in a public TN school for 25yrs before moving to a private. The difference was amazing

and just a VN fyi, many people put their ages in their profile. Just click on their username and hit view public profile. I do it quite often when I don't want to ask :)

GASOUTHERNVOL said:
not sure where you are from, but schools in GA arent union ran, thats for sure
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your curriculum isn't affected by unions?
 
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lawgator1 said:
It really has gotten to the point of absurdity.
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surely you can admit that the absurdity is from both sides. If you don't believe our broken, nationalized education system shills for the hard left at every opportunity, you're out of your mind.
 
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utvolpj said:
still you're in a public school and they drive the agenda. It makes sense when you look at where it's coming from.

I'm 34yo. I watched my mom teach in a public TN school for 25yrs before moving to a private. The difference was amazing

and just a VN fyi, many people put their ages in their profile. Just click on their username and hit view public profile. I do it quite often when I don't want to ask :)



your curriculum isn't affected by unions?
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well if by that you mean that we discuss the dangers of unions, and their effects on the modern economy? in GA teachers arent allowed to unionize,
 
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utvolpj said:
still you're in a public school and they drive the agenda. It makes sense when you look at where it's coming from.

I'm 34yo. I watched my mom teach in a public TN school for 25yrs before moving to a private. The difference was amazing



your curriculum isn't affected by unions?
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Its the government that drives the agenda. The state of Georgia mainly worries about passing the CRCT test. Working on those above core classes I spoke of eariler.

Have you asked your mom why she left Public Education?

I taught in 2 states, I retired from Alabama and have been in Georgia for 3 years now. (live on the border) So I have seen the things that I am talking about from 2 different states.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Its the government that drives the agenda. The state of Georgia mainly worries about passing the CRCT test. Working on those above core classes I spoke of eariler.

Have you asked your mom why she left Public Education?

I taught in 2 states, I retired from Alabama and have been in Georgia for 3 years now. (live on the border) So I have seen the things that I am talking about from 2 different states.
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people outside the educational system that doesnt know how it works are the best ones the throw their opinions in, because us teachers that know whats going on, and are on the front lines dont know what we are talking about.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
ohh nice. i worked with quite a few SEBD kids last year when i was at the middle school. you gotta be on high alert and you gotta know your kids and their triggers and be able to see three steps downt he road
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Its helps me that I'm 6'-6" and weigh 330. My motto with these kids has always been,"If they think your craizer than they are they will leave you alone!"

It didn't take me long to realize how I got this job! In the movie Blazin' Saddles, when Mongo comes to town and the guy runs in the sherriffs office and asks for his help, then goes to the door and says, "The Idiot... I mean the sherriff going to do it!"
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Its the government that drives the agenda. The state of Georgia mainly worries about passing the CRCT test. Working on those above core classes I spoke of eariler.

Have you asked your mom why she left Public Education?

I taught in 2 states, I retired from Alabama and have been in Georgia for 3 years now. (live on the border) So I have seen the things that I am talking about from 2 different states.
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she left it because she hated public schools. She loved teaching but couldn't handle the crap she was required to do that got in the way of educating students. She worked her butt off for little pay and recognition all so someone could check a box on a review. Also, the stupid kids and their parents finally got to her. The attitude change when she went to a public school was evident every time I visited.
 
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utvolpj said:
she left it because she hated public schools. She loved teaching but couldn't handle the crap she was required to do that got in the way of educating students. She worked her butt off for little pay and recognition all so someone could check a box on a review. Also, the stupid kids and their parents finally got to her. The attitude change when she went to a public school was evident every time I visited.
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Thats what I've been talking about the entire time. Not the pay part.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
people outside the educational system that doesnt know how it works are the best ones the throw their opinions in, because us teachers that know whats going on, and are on the front lines dont know what we are talking about.
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my mom is a 3rd generation teacher and I was told by both her and my grandmother to find another profession. I grew up in public schools and knew almost every teacher in that system. My brother is also a teacher in NC. To dismiss someone's opinion simply because they aren't in a classroom all day is ignorant. I have formed my opinions from talking to many, many teachers over the years.

and fyi, I have stood in front of a class and taught kids. My family couldn't afford for her to take a day off from school because she was sick so I would stand in for her quite often while a student at UT. I've lived the public ed system
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Thats what I've been talking about the entire time. Not the pay part.
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and I get that completely but she wasn't under the same rules while at her private school. The issue is the gov't education program
 
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utvolpj said:
and I get that completely but she wasn't under the same rules while at her private school. The issue is the gov't education program
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i hate to break it to you, but private schools still have to abide by the same standards as the public schools otherwise the do not get acreditation, and they still have to take the state tests, etc etc
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
i hate to break it to you, but private schools still have to abide by the same standards as the public schools otherwise the do not get acreditation, and they still have to take the state tests, etc etc
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the bureaucracy is night and day different. There's a huge difference in teaching the test and educating students so they can pass. Plus, parent paying for school are a bit more involved
 
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utvolpj said:
and I get that completely but she wasn't under the same rules while at her private school. The issue is the gov't education program
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I know, thus the difference between public and private. When everything is public the government controls everything. Thats the whole point of this debate. The more that government is involved in day to day aspects, the more control they have. This they will try to do with EVERYTHING that they can get there hands on.
 
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utvolpj said:
the bureaucracy is night and day different. There's a huge difference in teaching the test and educating students so they can pass. Plus, parent paying for school are a bit more involved
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ill agree they have it way easier then a PS teacher, but they still have to deal with BS, constantly, the beureacracy i dont see as being that much different. Natrually a parent paying is going to be more involved, its an investment.

If the students dont learn the stuff they wont pass the test, trust me. The CRCT and EOCTs in GA are rigirous
 
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Oldvol75 said:
I know, thus the difference between public and private. When everything is public the government controls everything. Thats the whole point of this debate. The more that government is involved in day to day aspects, the more control they have. This they will try to do with EVERYTHING that they can get there hands on.
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that's why I came up with an easy solution- my kids won't go to public school unless they are old enough to make that decision on their own (like I did by changing).

And I don't believe it's the higher-level kids that are affected as much as the average and below. The higher ones will always do ok but the rest are done a huge disservice in our current system.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
If the students dont learn the stuff they wont pass the test, trust me. The CRCT and EOCTs in GA are rigirous
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I never took a standardized test in k-12 that I would describe as rigorous except for AP tests. The rest are a joke
 
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They have just announced on the news that they are changing the draft of what the White House and NEA had put into the President's speach to school children about how they can help "him" and will change it to "what they can do to meet their own education goals." That I do not have a problem with!
 
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utvolpj said:
I never took a standardized test in k-12 that I would describe as rigorous except for AP tests. The rest are a joke
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well, things are a lot tougher now then in the 80s, plus the tests depends on the state.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
well, things are a lot tougher now then in the 80s, plus the tests depends on the state.
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mine was in the 90's but I'm fairly certain a 4 on the BC Calc exam would translate into a passing grade on any other test the state would have thrown at me. Same with English, German and Calc II
 
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utvolpj said:
that's why I came up with an easy solution- my kids won't go to public school unless they are old enough to make that decision on their own (like I did by changing).

And I don't believe it's the higher-level kids that are affected as much as the average and below. The higher ones will always do ok but the rest are done a huge disservice in our current system.
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I my personal opinion, coming from someone who makes his living there, the government can spend all the money that they want to spend it will not matter how much they throw at it. Until they put real disicipline back into the schools. All that can be done suspension at the most. There are some schools that still have paddling, and they do seem to be your better schools.

I had a student ask me years ago what my favorite memory of my school days was, I bent over and grabbed my toes. I spent alot of moments like that in front of the class as my teacher dealt with my disiciplne problem!:eek:k:
 
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utvolpj said:
mine was in the 90's but I'm fairly certain a 4 on the BC Calc exam would translate into a passing grade on any other test the state would have thrown at me. Same with English, German and Calc II
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congrats to you. however do you represent a majority of the population of any particular state?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
I had a student ask me years ago what my favorite memory of my school days was, I bent over and grabbed my toes.
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my next question would have been if you attended a Catholic shool

GASOUTHERNVOL said:
congrats to you. however do you represent a majority of the population of any particular state?
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I'm sure I don't but anyone struggling on the tests put out by the state is going to struggle at many things in life. Once we realize that a HS diploma is not a right we will be better off
 
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