If this is the beginning of the end of Heupel at Tennessee—his executive decision to continue to play Joe Milton in 2023 is what prevented a breakout

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WhenUrVolUrVFL said:
Love Josh Heupel. He’s done some great things for us. Couple of head scratching decisions. The biggest one being—not having Nico ready to roll in 2023.

Joe Milton was never a major starting QB. Michigan saw it right away. He has great tools, a great young man, and a great teammate.

But the way this season played out is precisely why he should have had Nico hitting the field as early as possible.

Nico played his ass off against Ohio state but it was obvious he wasn’t ready for game speed for much of this season.

don’t want to be a Debbie Downer but next year won’t be a playoff year. And then we have no idea what our schedule will look like the following year, but I think it’s going to get more difficult to recruit and this may be the high water mark of Heupel as our head coach.

I hope it’s not. But it’s going to be difficult to get back to where we were this year.

Fun year. Proud we made the playoffs. Should have had Nico ready for rush run after it was obvious Joe Milton wasn’t the guy. Instead we rode Milton for the entire 2023 season and missed the opportunity to really make progress in 2024.
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Nah. We aren't on a level of a bama, OSU or UGA. Hasn't and won't happen. Give us 8-10 wins a season and he'll be here for a long time....at least I hope so. Just make the offense fun again. PLEASE!!
 
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WhenUrVolUrVFL said:
Love Josh Heupel. He’s done some great things for us. Couple of head scratching decisions. The biggest one being—not having Nico ready to roll in 2023.

Joe Milton was never a major starting QB. Michigan saw it right away. He has great tools, a great young man, and a great teammate.

But the way this season played out is precisely why he should have had Nico hitting the field as early as possible.

Nico played his ass off against Ohio state but it was obvious he wasn’t ready for game speed for much of this season.

don’t want to be a Debbie Downer but next year won’t be a playoff year. And then we have no idea what our schedule will look like the following year, but I think it’s going to get more difficult to recruit and this may be the high water mark of Heupel as our head coach.

I hope it’s not. But it’s going to be difficult to get back to where we were this year.

Fun year. Proud we made the playoffs. Should have had Nico ready for rush run after it was obvious Joe Milton wasn’t the guy. Instead we rode Milton for the entire 2023 season and missed the opportunity to really make progress in 2024.
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Not much for playing the long game are you
 
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Vol524 said:
DFBVS is alive and well. I find it odd that we bash other fan bases for their abandon-ship attitude, and some of us are as guilty as any fan base. I do believe we need to part ways with some assistant coaches. But we will see what happens. I do think there were times when the coaches seemed to not make in-game adjustments.
We have not played great on the road this year. We lost on the road to a good team. I thought we would go 10-2 for the season. So, I will wait and see where CJH takes us. GO VOLS.
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Fixed your post
 
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WhenUrVolUrVFL said:
Did you look at what we had on our roster this year vs what is going out?

Pearce is gone. Simmons gone. Our entire defensive line is gone. Sampson is gone. This was the time to make a move and win to do what Georgia has done when they had their window. Those frauds now have everyone thinking they’re a traditional football power with their stolen Green Bay Packers G, their gaudy color scheme and their working on the railroad fight song. I’m sure most of the basic lemmings in here will immediately come to Georgia’s defense…
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Georgia is breaking in a new QB
Florida still employs Napier
Bama is Jekyll and Hyde….

I’m not terribly concerned about some drop off when we have a favorable schedule similar to this year.

Recruiting and Portal aren’t over yet.

And we have some continuity at the QB position to grow.

But please spend this offseason whining and claiming the sky is the falling.
 
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All I ask is... who is the master? Every time anyone starts the conversation about a coaching change, the new list starts of "who we really need" and over and over and over again that "next thing" turns out to be a bust at whatever program gets him. There was ONE Saban. Most others have a great fit in one place then they make a move and not so much. A COUPLE of exceptions being Smart and somewhat Sarkisian. But that's friggin' Georgia and Texas. The rest? End up like Kelly at LSU or Sanders at Colorado. Immediate NC expectations and what happens? Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State... just keep winning. I am happy with Heupel and have NO interest in him going anywhere. The national championships outside of the big three or four happen when suddenly you have the chemistry and team leaders just serendipitously fall into place. Fulmer had his Florida and even with the greatest QB in school history didn't win till that cosmic thing happened with Tee, Peerless, Al, etal. Another hint of a coaching change will likely put us right back into the futile years. Heupel will find that chemistry. If we screw this up again, seriously... a lot of us are going to stop investing. It's exhausting. Leave it alone and trust. We really don't have much of a choice.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Sure, but people are crazy to think we are such a sure thing to fall back.... The only 3 games of note on the schedule are

At Florida - 2 decade winless streak in Swamp
At Bama - 2 decade winless streak in Bryant Denny
Host Georgia - Won't believe we beat Georgia until the day we actually do beat them


We basically have to win 1 of the 3 to finish 10-2 and be in playoff buzz.

This notion we just shot our one chance to make a move in the playoff is chicken little-ish....
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I don’t think Syracuse and Oklahoma are givens. Heupel tends to lose a game we have no business losing.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Georgia is breaking in a new QB
Florida still employs Napier
Bama is Jekyll and Hyde….

I’m not terribly concerned about some drop off when we have a favorable schedule similar to this year.

Recruiting and Portal aren’t over yet.

And we have some continuity at the QB position to grow.

But please spend this offseason whining and claiming the sky is the falling.
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And all 3 will beat us next year.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Georgia is breaking in a new QB
Florida still employs Napier
Bama is Jekyll and Hyde….

I’m not terribly concerned about some drop off when we have a favorable schedule similar to this year.

Recruiting and Portal aren’t over yet.

And we have some continuity at the QB position to grow.

But please spend this offseason whining and claiming the sky is the falling.
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I seriously don’t know where all the drop off is that he’s expecting?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Georgia is breaking in a new QB
Florida still employs Napier
Bama is Jekyll and Hyde….

I’m not terribly concerned about some drop off when we have a favorable schedule similar to this year.

Recruiting and Portal aren’t over yet.

And we have some continuity at the QB position to grow.

But please spend this offseason whining and claiming the sky is the falling.
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Not sure any of those scenarios matter in your first stanza. It's all about us continuing to progress. Any notion we've regressed is extremely ignorant. Parts of team looks like that, but defense has gotten much better. It's a process
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao what?

You’ve lost me. Where are these major losses or are just trolling?
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On Offense or Defense
VOLveeta said:
All I ask is... who is the master? Every time anyone starts the conversation about a coaching change, the new list starts of "who we really need" and over and over and over again that "next thing" turns out to be a bust at whatever program gets him. There was ONE Saban. Most others have a great fit in one place then they make a move and not so much. A COUPLE of exceptions being Smart and somewhat Sarkisian. But that's friggin' Georgia and Texas. The rest? End up like Kelly at LSU or Sanders at Colorado. Immediate NC expectations and what happens? Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State... just keep winning. I am happy with Heupel and have NO interest in him going anywhere. The national championships outside of the big three or four happen when suddenly you have the chemistry and team leaders just serendipitously fall into place. Fulmer had his Florida and even with the greatest QB in school history didn't win till that cosmic thing happened with Tee, Peerless, Al, etal. Another hint of a coaching change will likely put us right back into the futile years. Heupel will find that chemistry. If we screw this up again, seriously... a lot of us are going to stop investing. It's exhausting. Leave it alone and trust. We really don't have much of a choice.
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where did the “that’s friggin Georgia” come from? Georgia was an absolute joke when I looked at colleges. They were 2nd tier and it was well known they were below the mean of the SEC top tier. And now you act like it’s a certainty they win championships. They haven’t won anything without little piggie hooves Stetson Bennet.
 
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WhenUrVolUrVFL said:
They will.

Based on all the talent we’re losing. We’re losing ALOT and we’re not recruiting on the level to replace it.
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Be specific. Where are these significant loses. We have both corners, QB, maybe our RB, TEs, starting LBs, numerous guys who were basically starters on the dline.

I think you’re just trolling. But if I’m wrong, be specific. Where are these issues?
 
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BP4Prez said:
We’ve literally had 3 10 win seasons in 20 years and this guy has two of them. This is absurd
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I went to Tennessee because that was my expectation. That was the historic mean. Just because Mike Hamilton was a weirdo and a terrible AD and hired terrible coaches doesn’t mean we should expect Tennessee to be that forever.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Not sure any of those scenarios matter in your first stanza. It's all about us continuing to progress. Any notion we've regressed is extremely ignorant. Parts of team looks like that, but defense has gotten much better. It's a process
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9-4 / No Playoff Berth to 10-3 / Playoff Berth is clear example of regression
 
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TartanTurff said:
Sticking with Joe created a bit of a log jam at the QB slot as Nico probably won't be NFL ready next year, may not be adequately developed next year for regular competitive SEC play, McIntyre is on campus going through practices, with that super quick release, he will not sit idlely by while the Nico experiment goes into 2026 and Faizon Brandon is not coming to Tennessee to wait on anybody, but all trains are running behind while we let Joe do the 8-4 stint in 2023, the tempo on the field is one thing, train wrecking talent sequencing is another, if talent doesn't see the field, there is a well oiled portal and megadollars to help second string quarterbacks see somebody's field
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There was a whole lot of us on this forum calling for Nico to play last year once we lost games early and was pretty much out of NC contention. There was no rationale for keep playing Milton except we were told JH was "loyal " to JM. And many of us on the forum predicted that Nico's lack of playing would be a negative this year and it certainly has.
 
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