If we EVER have another coach...

[PrattvilleVol]

Chavis was part to blame but Miles' clock management problems finally came back to bite him. That was the reason they lost the game.

Boyd got pounded relentlessly by LSU's defense and never got rattled and never QUIT (Hello Tyler). Boyd won that game in spite of Chavis and Miles gaffs.

 

[VolFan_N_NC]

Boyd got pounded relentlessly by LSU's defense and never got rattled and never quit. Boyd won that game in spite of Chavis and Miles gaffs.

I agree he played lights out, but he would have never had a shot if Miles would have ran the ball on 2nd and 3rd down on their last drive.

 

[PrattvilleVol]

I agree he played lights out, but he would have never had a shot if Miles would have ran the ball on 2nd and 3rd down on their last drive.

LSU had 1 yd. of offense in the 4th qtr...1 YD! The way Clemson's defense was playing late, I don't believe they would have gotten it done.

 

[thebjd]

According to Kiffin, Boyd apparently didn't have all the intangibles for QB, like skin color.

Sabanocchio disagrees. Jesse Scroggins?

 

[thebjd]

LSU had 1 yd. of offense in the 4th qtr...1 YD! The way Clemson's defense was playing late, I don't believe they would have gotten it done.

They just needed the clock to run and Clemson to burn some timeouts. Thy got eight yards on the first pass and were set up to win the game.

 

[bleedorange0037]

Like CLK tell a player like Tajh Boyd "No thanks, go away" Drag him from the facilities and let him never be found again!

Honest question. Did Kiffin actually tell him he flat out wasn't wanted here or that he just wasn't going to play QB here? I can't remember the specifics of how it all played out. If he just told him he wasn't going to be a QB, I don't see what the big deal was. Kiffin and Chaney were both pro style guys, so why would they want to shackle their futures for four full seasons to a QB who didn't fit the system they planned to run?

It's not inconceivable that we'll see Butch Jones do something similar at some point. There may be a good pro style QB interested in UT, but since Jones runs the spread option, which relies entirely on having a running QB, we'd probably have to pass on the pro style guy because he'd be useless in Jones' offense.

 

[GLDunlap]

According to Kiffin, Boyd apparently didn't have all the intangibles for QB, like skin color.

I would like to think it had more to do with TB's height but I'm afraid you may have hit the nail on the head. Kiffin did take Jesse Scroggins of course he didn't stay at USC long and never played.

Tahj Boyd reminds me of Sterling Henton (only better).

Before tonight I would have said no way Tahj turns pro this year but his stock likely went through the roof with this performance. He doesn't have great NFL height but he seems to have everything else.

 

[PrattvilleVol]

I would like to think it had more to do with TB's height but I'm afraid you may have hit the nail on the head. Kiffin did take Jesse Scroggins of course he didn't stay at USC long and never played.

Tahj Boyd reminds me of Sterling Henton (only better).

Before tonight I would have said no way Tahj turns pro this year but his stock likely went through the roof with this performance. He doesn't have great NFL height but he seems to have everything else.

Spot on post Geoffrey! I think TB is Russell Wilson on overdrive.

 

[vols-1]

Honest question. Did Kiffin actually tell him he flat out wasn't wanted here or that he just wasn't going to play QB here? I can't remember the specifics of how it all played out. If he just told him he wasn't going to be a QB, I don't see what the big deal was. Kiffin and Chaney were both pro style guys, so why would they want to shackle their futures for four full seasons to a QB who didn't fit the system they planned to run?

It's not inconceivable that we'll see Butch Jones do something similar at some point. There may be a good pro style QB interested in UT, but since Jones runs the spread option, which relies entirely on having a running QB, we'd probably have to pass on the pro style guy because he'd be useless in Jones' offense.

Look at Boyd's passing numbers compared to Peyton Mannings his Junior year. And that ain't good enough for the so-called pro style?

>>>> Comp% Yards Int TD Rating
Manning 63.9 3287 12 20 147.7
Boyd 67.2 3896 13 36 165.6

 

[ReelfootVol]

So so sad that we could of had Boyd at Tennessee. Don't even like to think about it. However, the kifster did not think he fit our system. Kiff SUCKS in many ways !!!!

 

[bleedorange0037]

Look at Boyd's passing numbers compared to Peyton Mannings his Junior year. And that ain't good enough for the so-called pro style?

>>>> Comp% Yards Int TD Rating
Manning 63.9 3287 12 20 147.7
Boyd 67.2 3896 13 36 165.6

I doubt they would have been anywhere near that good if he'd had to face the week in week out grind of the SEC schedule instead of the abominable ACC. He played good in a one-off game last night, but after so long teams would have figured his running BS out and simply made him beat them like a real QB, which he might have had some success at, but nothing like the numbers he put up this year.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Les is the worst sideline coach in the SEC.




But he can recruit in a ton of talent and that is enough to keep the LSU crowd somewhat happy

 

[GAVol]

Boyd has the same arm strength as Bray with better feet and a much better head...and he doesn't quit.

Boyd played great last night. Don't think he has Tyler Bray's arm strength though.

 

[KingtUT]

How many times have we seen a Chavis defense do this? I still don't get the Vol fans that want him back. Not a recruiter and bound to lose a close game on a game winning drive if at all possible.

Yep, cause we lost so many games while he was here. :crazy::loco:

 

[Vols4us]

Actually think Les and Chief are made for each other. They both make bone headed decisions and keep doing it over and over and over. What a waste of talent.

 

[AV_12]

I doubt they would have been anywhere near that good if he'd had to face the week in week out grind of the SEC schedule instead of the abominable ACC. He played good in a one-off game last night, but after so long teams would have figured his running BS out and simply made him beat them like a real QB, which he might have had some success at, but nothing like the numbers he put up this year.

Or he comes here, and his Heisman type numbers look even better in this conference. Nobody knows....

 

[Vols4us]

Honest question. Did Kiffin actually tell him he flat out wasn't wanted here or that he just wasn't going to play QB here? I can't remember the specifics of how it all played out. If he just told him he wasn't going to be a QB, I don't see what the big deal was. Kiffin and Chaney were both pro style guys, so why would they want to shackle their futures for four full seasons to a QB who didn't fit the system they planned to run?

It's not inconceivable that we'll see Butch Jones do something similar at some point. There may be a good pro style QB interested in UT, but since Jones runs the spread option, which relies entirely on having a running QB, we'd probably have to pass on the pro style guy because he'd be useless in Jones' offense.

You may be thinking zone read runs. CBJ does more running with dual threat and less with pass first guys that are mobile. His mentor is the same way. Nobody could accuse Tony Pike of being a running QB at Cincy. But they did quite well with him. That's why CBJ says he can go either way.

Boyd would have been ideal in CBJ's offense. I agree that Kiffin and Chaney did the right thing and Boyd should be happy they did by encouraging him to look elsewhere. He would not have fit well in their offense.

 

[AV_12]

Which is why you build around a talent like Boyd. Its probably gonna take a mobile guy to beat teams like Bama. Shanahan hasn't always ran this offense he is running now. You adjust your scheme for talents like this.

 

[SWOvol]

I'm a little bit afraid Asiantii Woulard might be our next Tahj Boyd. From all scouting reports he sounds very legit and has made it clear that he is interested in UT.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Yep, cause we lost so many games while he was here. :crazy::loco:

I do remember quite a few important games we lost because Fulmer & Chavis would play to protect the lead with 4 minutes left in the game with no offense on our part. We were playing an SEC foe & they had a 4th & 19 and got a first down & went on to win the game cause TN was back peddling & no blizes to the QB. There were many games we lost trying to protect leads we had. But we also won a lot of games too. :hi:

 

[oldfartvol]

I do remember quite a few important games we lost because Fulmer & Chavis would play to protect the lead with 4 minutes left in the game with no offense on our part. We were playing an SEC foe & they had a 4th & 19 and got a first down & went on to win the game cause TN was back peddling & no blizes to the QB. There were many games we lost trying to protect leads we had. But we also won a lot of games too. :hi:

Rock solid truth.

 

[Volinnooga]

At the time, it seemed ok to send Tajh elsewhere as Bray had potential. That was fair to Tajh. Problem is that one is a leader and one isn't.

 

[bleedorange0037]

You may be thinking zone read runs. CBJ does more running with dual threat and less with pass first guys that are mobile. His mentor is the same way. Nobody could accuse Tony Pike of being a running QB at Cincy. But they did quite well with him. That's why CBJ says he can go either way.

Boyd would have been ideal in CBJ's offense. I agree that Kiffin and Chaney did the right thing and Boyd should be happy they did by encouraging him to look elsewhere. He would not have fit well in their offense.

I wasn't saying Boyd wouldn't work well in Jones' offense. In fact he would be a good fit. What I was saying is that since he runs a specific system, a pro style QB wouldn't have any place at UT as long as he is coaching here, so at some point down the line we may have to pass on a good pro-style QB because he wouldn't bring anything to the table with regards to what Jones wants to do. Much like the dual-threat Boyd wouldn't have had any place at UT when Kiffin and Chaney were trying to run a strictly pro-style offense.

 

[bleedorange0037]

At the time, it seemed ok to send Tajh elsewhere as Bray had potential. That was fair to Tajh. Problem is that one is a leader and one isn't.

The fact that one plays for at least a pseudo-competent coach and the other played for possibly the worst coach in SEC history couldn't possibly have had anything to do with how their college careers played out?

 

[AV_12]

The fact that one plays for at least a pseudo-competent coach and the other played for possibly the worst coach in SEC history couldn't possibly have had anything to do with how their college careers played out?

True. But I thinks its clear who the better player is IMO.