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lawgator1 said:
Obama incorrectly turning away the press simply does not answer my point that Palin, if she were a serious candidate, would court as much press as she could possibly get.
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However, Obama (and all candidates) routinely bar the press from events (fundraising) where the entire group are 100% supporters. The "clinging to guns and religion" came from a "closed to the press" event and it was leaked by an attendee.

You are making a leap to say it is closed to the press because she is going to make a fool of herself. It's about controlling the message - something Team Obama does all the time.
 
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volfanjustin said:
She will not run for president in 2012, I guarantee it.

Why are you so obsessed with someone you hate so much? You start a bash Palin thread weekly.
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I don't think she can make a serious run, either. But she might be a bit of a Kingmaker in that, whoever does run needs her endorsement to get the tea party people on board. Terms like "maverick," "rogue," etc., are not accidental.


volinbham said:
However, Obama (and all candidates) routinely bar the press from events (fundraising) where the entire group are 100% supporters. The "clinging to guns and religion" came from a "closed to the press" event and it was leaked by an attendee.

You are making a leap to say it is closed to the press because she is going to make a fool of herself. It's about controlling the message - something Team Obama does all the time.
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I don't recall Obama turning down free press during any campaigning and I'm not sure how shutting them out helps you control the message. In particular, in Palin's case, her image right now is of someone in way over her head. When she says no press, all she does is feed that perception.

In other words, whatever your criticism might be of Obama, and no matter how valid it might be, they are in qualitatively different situations.

Of all the national-stage politicians out there at the moment, the one who MOST needs to get some publicity as well-spoken and with some intellectual horsepower of some sort is definitely Palin. The only reasonable explanation is that she, and really her handlers, know that her stage presence is just awful and that odds are pretty high that, in any given situation, she is going to say or do something so completely idiotic that it cannot do anything but hurt.
 
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Why are some of you so convinced that Palin is not going to run for President (seek the nomination) for 2012? I just don't see it....what is she doing if not prepping for a run? Is she just ready to make money at this point? I would have to believe that she has no chance of running for Senate from Alaska considering she ditched her state mid-term for more national endeavors.
 
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TennTradition said:
Why are some of you so convinced that Palin is not going to run for President (seek the nomination) for 2012? I just don't see it....what is she doing if not prepping for a run? Is she just ready to make money at this point? I would have to believe that she has no chance of running for Senate from Alaska considering she ditched her state mid-term for more national endeavors.
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1) She may seek it.

2) But I don't think she has a chance at it.

3) Because the GOP wants to win.

The election in Massachussetts seems to have been dirven less by ideology or party and more by an anti-establishment, throw em all out, reaction. Polls show both parties being blamed for nothing getting done (the Republicans are getting a bit more of the blame than the Dems), and so IMO neither party is going to be particularly interested in running someone viewed as super-partisan.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Obama is POTUS. It is wrong that he not grant full press access to the meetings regarding health care or any other subject. I completely agree.

How does that point refute the fact that, clearly, there is such a lack of confidence in Palin's ability to do anything other than to make a fool of herself that she turns down free media attention? Most people who are not POTUS, but who one day hope to be POTUS, absolutely love to have press show up at anythign they do. But her handlers shun it in this instance, depsite the fact that the crowd will be 100 % pro-Palin.

Obama incorrectly turning away the press simply does not answer my point that Palin, if she were a serious candidate, would court as much press as she could possibly get.
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She's a FNC contributor

She was at the Daytona 500

She attends book signing events

She was keynote speaker at the Tea Party Convention in Nashville

she's pretty accessible to the media, claiming otherwise simply isn't true.

at the two events mentioned in your OP, the Press was welcome as long as it was willing to pay and as long as it wasn't there with photography or audio recording equipment.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't recall Obama turning down free press during any campaigning and I'm not sure how shutting them out helps you control the message.

I've listed examples of Obama doing this. It's not uncommon when talking to your supporters.

Controlling the message means the message to the supporters who will then spread it rather than having the press tell what happened. Clearly her last event was a case where the narrative became about the notes on her hand rather than whatever she said.

I'll repeat - you are jumping to a conclusion to say it's because she's incompetent and wants to avoid looking foolish.

Of all the national-stage politicians out there at the moment, the one who MOST needs to get some publicity as well-spoken and with some intellectual horsepower of some sort is definitely Palin. The only reasonable explanation is that she, and really her handlers, know that her stage presence is just awful and that odds are pretty high that, in any given situation, she is going to say or do something so completely idiotic that it cannot do anything but hurt.
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Palin has all the name recognition and PR she needs. If it were about her doing something dumb then her own supporters would turn on her. It's politics 101 - control the message.

Look at Obama's new communications strategy - they are trying to go back to campaign mode to control the message. The sad part is that the policies are the problem not the messaging.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) She may seek it.

2) But I don't think she has a chance at it.

3) Because the GOP wants to win.

The election in Massachussetts seems to have been dirven less by ideology or party and more by an anti-establishment, throw em all out, reaction. Polls show both parties being blamed for nothing getting done (the Republicans are getting a bit more of the blame than the Dems), and so IMO neither party is going to be particularly interested in running someone viewed as super-partisan.
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Or the fact that Coakley couldn't have won a school board election and has no recollection of the Boston Red Sox.
 
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#37
when's the last time obama has spoken somewhere where he isn't ensured of a standing ovation? has it ever happened?
 
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#39
can't believe someone beat bam to that one. he loves to tout that as one of obama's crowning achievements.
 
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i'd give obama a standing ovation too if he saved my arse and my pension and violated 200 years of US bankrupcy law in the process like he did to the UAW.
 
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volinbham said:
Who was the establishment candidate in the Mass race?
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All news stories and analysis I have heard, including on FOX, are that that eelction was collective thumbing of the nose at Washington, D.C. Electorate mad at Washington, Wall Street, and anybody seen as part of routine management of those two has tough rode to hoe.


MG1968 said:
She's a FNC contributor

She was at the Daytona 500

She attends book signing events

She was keynote speaker at the Tea Party Convention in Nashville

she's pretty accessible to the media, claiming otherwise simply isn't true.

at the two events mentioned in your OP, the Press was welcome as long as it was willing to pay and as long as it wasn't there with photography or audio recording equipment.
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You are correct. They could go. They just couldn't put tape of her usual shrieking foot in mouth comments on air later.

Palin on FOX is very telling to me because it suggests she has no desire to appeal to the middle. She is perfectly content keeping the right in a frenzy and, like FOX, is making a handsome living taking advantage of their discontent.




volinbham said:
Palin has all the name recognition and PR she needs. If it were about her doing something dumb then her own supporters would turn on her. It's politics 101 - control the message.

Look at Obama's new communications strategy - they are trying to go back to campaign mode to control the message. The sad part is that the policies are the problem not the messaging.
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But, her image is that of unelectable. Why leave it like that? If she were going to run, she'd want to reshape that image.



droski said:
when's the last time obama has spoken somewhere where he isn't ensured of a standing ovation? has it ever happened?
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The folks Palin spoke to I am sure would have carried her out on their shoulders, if given the chance. There was no issue of a bad reaction to her, or anything less than a ringing crowd endorsement.


They were afraid of what she might say, or, more likely, how she might say it. Pure and simple.
 
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Damn that Palin... to be such an airhead, stupid, complete non-threat to the Democrats, she sure is mentioned by some on here. A lot.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Damn that Palin... to be such an airhead, stupid, complete non-threat to the Democrats, she sure is mentioned by some on here. A lot.
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I think the reason for this is that we are astounded that she could have as much appeal to as many as she apparently has. It is unnerving that so many people could be so dumb as to see her as a viable anything, much less POTUS.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think the reason for this is that we are astounded that she could have as much appeal to as many as she apparently has. It is unnerving that so many people could be so dumb as to see her as a viable anything, much less POTUS.
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I can certainly sympathize, the fact Obama is POTUS is certainly scary.

My point being... if she's such a non-threat, why worry? Obviously there's more there than you care to admit.
 
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#49
It's no surprise to me that some people seriously want Palin as POTUS, look at our current president. If putting up stop signs in my neighborhood is a qualification to be president, I'm counting down the days to my 35th birthday.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
It's no surprise to me that some people seriously want Palin as POTUS, look at our current president. If putting up stop signs in my neighborhood is a qualification to be president, I'm counting down the days to my 35th birthday.
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