Igor Milicic

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cncchris33 said:
Not sure I'd call that take incorrect simply by quoting our 2-pt FG%. You can make 60% and still miss a lot of gimme shots. Acknowledging that we make 60% of our 2s doesn't account for a lot of variables, chief among them in this case is where those misses come from.

For example, if Felix Okpara had 100 shot attempts and they were all dunks or layups, and only made 60% of them, you'd just look at that number and say 60% sure looks good, while someone else might say, well he missed 40 dunks and layups.

In other words, not all 2s are created equal.
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The “entire team missing a lot of bunnies” would in no way equal us having one of the best 2pt%’s in the country. If you or anyone else has our dunk/layup field goal percentage ranking and wants to post it then I’m all ears, but given we were the #1 field goal % team from 2 prior to the Illinois game in no way would suggest “our whole team misses a lot of bunnies”, it actually suggests quite the opposite.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The “entire team missing a lot of bunnies” would in no way equal us having one of the best 2pt%’s in the country. If you or anyone else has our dunk/layup field goal percentage ranking and wants to post it then I’m all ears, but given we were the #1 field goal % team from 2 prior to the Illinois game in no way would suggest “our whole team misses a lot of bunnies”, it actually suggests quite the opposite.
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I have no interest in going down this rabbit hole with you where you mince and parse each syllable.

I stand by my original statement that quoting our overall 2-pt FG% is not representative evidence that we don't miss an inordinate amount of shots right at the rim.

I will, however, note that those misses may not be any more or less than other teams, and acknowledge that it may just seem more concentrated because of the OP's familiarity and focus on Tennessee more than other teams.
 
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UT97Vol said:
I’m good with that but the point I was making in the other thread is have some self awareness on a night you clearly don’t have it.

He was great otherwise. Huge rebounds. The steal on the out of bounds play and dunk pretty much was the difference in the game. And kudos to him for not letting a bad shooting night affect his game. That was a mammoth play he made at that moment. That said, had he drove and got fouled or drove and dished on some of those 3-pt attempts it might not have been close in the last minute. So that’s the thing I see. A 35% shooter shouldn’t have an unlimited green light. When you’re struggling on any given night, mix it up and find another way to score or get others who a hotter the touch.
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I was glad to see him trying to get to the rim a little bit also
 
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cncchris33 said:
I have no interest in going down this rabbit hole with you where you mince and parse each syllable.

I stand by my original statement that quoting our overall 2-pt FG% is not representative evidence that we don't miss an inordinate amount of shots right at the rim.

I will, however, note that those misses may not be any more or less than other teams, and acknowledge that it may just seem more concentrated because of the OP's familiarity and focus on Tennessee more than other teams.
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Bingo…unless someone has stats showing we’re 90% on midrange 2’s and ~40% on dunks and layups then these takes don’t make much factual sense. As you said, it’s likely due to just watching Tennessee and getting aggravated when we see missed shots around the rim, but the fact is that all teams miss bunnies and I don’t think Tennessee misses some inordinate amount in comparison to other teams, in fact I think Tennessee is likely much more efficient around the rim than most other teams.
 
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My take on all of this. I think this team is so much better rounded this year. I believe Cade Phillips is showing how valuable and active he is. I do think he is an upgrade from Awaka. He seems to be quite mobile and aggressive. I like Igor and although I don't think his 3 point shooting percentage is going to be high, I do believe he can hit threes and his form is not bad. We cannot make him start thinking before he shoots them. I do like the way he will rebound and will mix it up inside. I really like Dubar and his not trying to force it while on the court. I do believe his minutes are going to increase as we go along and I do believe he has some skills. He also will get inside and rebound. As for Mashack, I hope he gets some confidence back on offense, because he is as good a defensive player as anyone in the country. Finally, I love the expressions on the players' faces. I do believe they are playing for each other and enjoy playing with each other. I do not see the Me Me Me on their faces. I really like this team. We will see soon as the SEC beats up on each other.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I have no interest in going down this rabbit hole with you where you mince and parse each syllable.

I stand by my original statement that quoting our overall 2-pt FG% is not representative evidence that we don't miss an inordinate amount of shots right at the rim.

I will, however, note that those misses may not be any more or less than other teams, and acknowledge that it may just seem more concentrated because of the OP's familiarity and focus on Tennessee more than other teams.
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Cc: @A-RodWiLks


Per shot quality Tennessee is 130/160 on rim 2’s this season, good for 81.3% which is near tops in the country.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Cc: @A-RodWiLks


Per shot quality Tennessee is 130/160 on rim 2’s this season, good for 81.3% which is near tops in the country.
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Not sure why you're quoting me. It wasn't my take.

My take was that simply quoting the team's 2-pt% to refute A-RodWilks' claim isn't necessarily relevant proof unless you know where all of those 2s come from. That fact is still true and irrefutable.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Not sure why you're quoting me. It wasn't my take.

My take was that simply quoting the team's 2-pt% to refute A-RodWilks' claim isn't necessarily relevant proof unless you know where all of those 2s come from. That fact is still true and irrefutable.
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Just tagging all parties that seemed to be interested in the topic, found some more context to back up that our 2pt% being good is a sign that our rim % is also likely very good
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Cc: @A-RodWiLks


Per shot quality Tennessee is 130/160 on rim 2’s this season, good for 81.3% which is near tops in the country.
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Does that source also give the % of shots at the rim? I feel like we’re taking fewer midrange shots this season since we don’t really have anyone who really likes that turnaround elbow jumper. Seems like a lot of our former players loved that look.
 
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Lefteye said:
Same topic, slightly different channel. Is it possible we don’t see enough of other teams bunnies, mid-range etc missed as our own squad to truly recognize bad, poor or struggling? Quoted you but wasn’t talking about you on that last part. Just convo
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Yeah, I mentioned that in a previous post to help perhaps account for the belief we miss more than any other team(s).
I have no interest in going down this rabbit hole with you where you mince and parse each syllable.

I stand by my original statement that quoting our overall 2-pt FG% is not representative evidence that we don't miss an inordinate amount of shots right at the rim.

I will, however, note that those misses may not be any more or less than other teams, and acknowledge that it may just seem more concentrated because of the OP's familiarity and focus on Tennessee more than other teams.
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I think Igor could be the guy that puts us in position to make a real run at FF, possible championship run. We know what we have with Lanier, I think he's gonna be a solid 18 a game type player. ZZ is the glue. Mashack an elite defender. But Igor has to step up and be another consistent threat to scoring the ball. He doesn't have to average 18 or 20. But it would be nice if he could get there a few times in big games. He hasn't been consistent enough so far. But there's time for him to come around.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
I think Igor could be the guy that puts us in position to make a real run at FF, possible championship run. We know what we have with Lanier, I think he's gonna be a solid 18 a game type player. ZZ is the glue. Mashack an elite defender. But Igor has to step up and be another consistent threat to scoring the ball. He doesn't have to average 18 or 20. But it would be nice if he could get there a few times in big games. He hasn't been consistent enough so far. But there's time for him to come around.
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I think Igor and Felix will tell the tale. If those two play to their potential, we can make the FF. Even if they gradually move towards it all year and then hit that potential during the postseason. It'll be fun to watch.
 
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My preseason prediction was that Igor would be the difference between a good vs. historic season. With Okpara struggling a bit, Igor is even more critical. We'll see how it pans out...SEC play is going to be brutal. Overall, I'm optimistic both Igor (esp his 3 pt shooting) and Okpara continue to improve.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
I'll start with saying I really like the guy, and I think he is an upgrade from Awaka. He is getting a ton of rebounds and seems to have really bought into what we've come to expect from a Tennessee defensive player.

Having said that, what's up with missing all the 3 point shots?

When I watched his highlights I was excited to have another 3- point threat. Last night he was just atrocious from beyond the arc.
Hopefully he's just in a shooters slump and dials it in by the time we get into SEC play. Definitely needs to be putting in some extra time in the gym in regards.
Any thoughts as to what could be going on with him? Playing hard on D making him tired? Is it a confidence thing?
Is he the type of guy that needs to see his first one or two go in?
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uhhh... he is not even in Awakas role. He is in JJJ's role. Awaka was the backup center and played some PF. I didn't watch every game last year but I'm pretty sure Awaka never started a single game at PF if he ever started a game it was because Aidoo was out. Our starting PF all last year was JJJ. The people who have replaced Awaka in our rotation this year have been Phillips and Dubar and just FYI Awaka is outplaying both of them this year he's pretty much dropping 8 and 8 a game and has only fouled out of one game so far averaging under 3 a game in 18 mins per (those stats are significantly better than Okpara FYI). I know folks are gonna be like hating because I brought it up but don't bring up names until you check what they are doing. Awaka is doing very well and AIdoo has been putting up good number since he has gotten healthy and getting minutes the last 3 games for Arky.

As far as missing shots it happens to good shooters and even more often than it does with bad shooters.. because shooters shoot.. Steph Curry went 0/7 last night and has had multiple games under 30% from the feild this year.
 
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pimo1 said:
uhhh... he is not even in Awakas role. He is in JJJ's role. Awaka was the backup center and played some PF. I didn't watch every game last year but I'm pretty sure Awaka never started a single game at PF if he ever started a game it was because Aidoo was out. Our starting PF all last year was JJJ. The people who have replaced Awaka in our rotation this year have been Phillips and Dubar and just FYI Awaka is outplaying both of them this year he's pretty much dropping 8 and 8 a game and has only fouled out of one game so far averaging under 3 a game in 18 mins per (those stats are significantly better than Okpara FYI). I know folks are gonna be like hating because I brought it up but don't bring up names until you check what they are doing. Awaka is doing very well and AIdoo has been putting up good number since he has gotten healthy and getting minutes the last 3 games for Arky.

As far as missing shots it happens to good shooters and even more often than it does with bad shooters.. because shooters shoot.. Steph Curry went 0/7 last night and has had multiple games under 30% from the feild this year.
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I will be the first one to admit Aidoo is better than Okpara. That being said, I didn't care for how Aidoo wilted in some games last year. He still brings more to the table than Okpara. Our overall team makeup is different too. Dubar is going to be a stud, IMO
 
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