‘23 IL WR Carnell Tate (Ohio State commit)

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Jackcrevol said:
I assure you Im not. Have better things to do with my time broheim.
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Ok. I think you are a good dude and a good poster. It's just that I have noticed you have become a lot more negative lately. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Truly hope we get this dude.
 
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drvenner said:
Ok. I think you are a good dude and a good poster. It's just that I have noticed you have become a lot more negative lately. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Truly hope we get this dude.
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I haven't noticed that, not taking a shot, we come with diff moods daily... you do too.... dickford

Jk before you go Ulysees on me
 
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My good friend who is a buckeye fan subscribes to on3 and sent me these screenshots of the article. Enjoy
 

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FBtime said:
My good friend who is a buckeye fan subscribes to on3 and sent me these screenshots of the article. Enjoy
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Coming from someone who does medical modeling. This has to be the dumbest machine learning application I’ve ever heard. Would love to see what they are trying to fit for. Like is it based on sentiment analysis and number of tweets. How are we supposed to predict what a 17 kid will do.
 
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camkil19 said:
Coming from someone who does medical modeling. This has to be the dumbest machine learning application I’ve ever heard. Would love to see what they are trying to fit for. Like is it based on sentiment analysis and number of tweets. How are we supposed to predict what a 17 kid will do.
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I bet at it's core it uses commitments as the target variable, and the heaviest model inputs are expert predictions (weighted by confidence maybe?) and visits. Makes sense to me. We lean heavily on predictions when evaluating our chances with a recruit, and we know that "following the visits" tends to be pretty helpful.

Anyway, not perfect, and certainly not purely objective, but better than just looking at offer lists and making a guess imo.
 
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Vols410 said:
I bet at it's core it uses commitments as the target variable, and the heaviest model inputs are expert predictions (weighted by confidence maybe?) and visits. Makes sense to me. We lean heavily on predictions when evaluating our chances with a recruit, and we know that "following the visits" tends to be pretty helpful.

Anyway, not perfect, and certainly not purely objective, but better than just looking at offer lists and making a guess imo.
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Thanks for the response back. I actually am curious on what they would use outside of contextual information. If it’s merely internal experts opinions with a weighted confidence then is really so different then like a crystal ball. I also have unfortunately high standards for this just because of work.
 
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Vols410 said:
I bet at it's core it uses commitments as the target variable, and the heaviest model inputs are expert predictions (weighted by confidence maybe?) and visits. Makes sense to me. We lean heavily on predictions when evaluating our chances with a recruit, and we know that "following the visits" tends to be pretty helpful.

Anyway, not perfect, and certainly not purely objective, but better than just looking at offer lists and making a guess imo.
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Marketing tool that makes them stand out, younger gen sees ai and implicitly trusts over subjective opinion, though this is just an avg of collective opinions weighted I'd assume
 
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camkil19 said:
Thanks for the response back. I actually am curious on what they would use outside of contextual information. If it’s merely internal experts opinions with a weighted confidence then is really so different then like a crystal ball. I also have unfortunately high standards for this just because of work.
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StoVol said:
Marketing tool that makes them stand out, younger gen sees ai and implicitly trusts over subjective opinion, though this is just an avg of collective opinions weighted I'd assume
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Understand the revolting against it considering your experience in the medical world. I'm a data scientist as well, and while some disciplines require some serious rigor, in this particular example there really isn't anything better to go off of then predictions / visits / tweets, which together form a better estimate than the initial impression a viewer might surmise from visiting a recruit page.

In general, all of us are pretty bad at estimating probabilities. Even if it's as simple as a weighted average it's at least a little useful.
 
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It’s funny reading all of the OSU fans in the On3 twitter comments screaming $$$$$$ as the reason Carnell is choosing Tennessee as if Ohio State has NEVER paid a player before or as if Ohio State hasn’t also made an NIL package offer to Tate.

The naïveté and sour grapes in the NIL era by the traditional powers of recent years is so funny. Their fans hate that recruiting is on a level playing field now.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
It’s funny reading all of the OSU fans in the On3 twitter comments screaming $$$$$$ as the reason Carnell is choosing Tennessee as if Ohio State has NEVER paid a player before or as if Ohio State hasn’t also made an NIL package offer to Tate.

The naïveté and sour grapes in the NIL era by the traditional powers of recent years is so funny. Their fans hate that recruiting is on a level playing field now.
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I was coming to say the same thing.
Urban was one of the biggest cheats in the game. You know Day is cheating if Urban picked him to be his successor. Every school cheats to some degree.
 
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camkil19 said:
Coming from someone who does medical modeling. This has to be the dumbest machine learning application I’ve ever heard. Would love to see what they are trying to fit for. Like is it based on sentiment analysis and number of tweets. How are we supposed to predict what a 17 kid will do.
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$$$$
When word got out that TN offered a HS kid 8 million, my belief is HS kids all over the country will want to see what TN will offer them too. Name & color of jersey mean nothing any more, its about "show me the money" mentality.

I could be completely wrong, but schools that don't pay will be left behind. This is why Saban is upset because it is no longer past success, it's about how rich can I get being 18 years old. These kids have "handlers" or "family" that supposedly help them, but now through in money and watch what happens. They all want a piece of the pie now and its happening, whether we agree or disagree.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
It’s funny reading all of the OSU fans in the On3 twitter comments screaming $$$$$$ as the reason Carnell is choosing Tennessee as if Ohio State has NEVER paid a player before or as if Ohio State hasn’t also made an NIL package offer to Tate.

The naïveté and sour grapes in the NIL era by the traditional powers of recent years is so funny. Their fans hate that recruiting is on a level playing field now.
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You know... I don't think any of us should care any more. I have always said the NCAA should enforce the rules more aggressively and eliminate illegal payments and recruiting tactics. I don't think it is right that the NCAA punished those who self-reported or just happened to get caught in a way that the NCAA couldn't avoid looking into it.

The rules changed. I don't particularly like NIL. I think it will hurt CFB in particular. But the rules did change and now everyone has an opportunity to play on a pretty level playing field rules wise. The network of boosters that paid athletes for years against the rules and under the table... is now obsolete. I think that's the crux of Saban's whining.... maybe Dabo's too.

So if NIL money becomes one of the deciding factors for a recruit OR even THE deciding factor... so be it. UT isn't breaking the rules they've just innovated faster than others.
 
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ALStateLineVol said:
$$$$
When word got out that TN offered a HS kid 8 million, my belief is HS kids all over the country will want to see what TN will offer them too. Name & color of jersey mean nothing any more, its about "show me the money" mentality.
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That's very unlikely to be true. You are making big assumptions about all of those kids wanting nothing more than UT's money. Truth is that A&M got a leg up too. Folks here whined about it... but they got ahead of the game. Brice Young got a multi-million dollar NIL deal as soon as it became legal. LOTS of programs can pay and will pay if they want to compete with UT over a particular recruit.

UT/Spyre appears to be doing it better. I don't particularly like NIL but it is now the rule. Those who succeed will take advantage. If others are truly committed to their "high horse" view about it... you will see them sink pretty fast. And as long as everyone operates under the same rules... so be it.

I could be completely wrong, but schools that don't pay will be left behind.
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You're not. Some like Vandy just won't have the will or popular appeal to pay football players on par with UT, Bama, et al.

This is why Saban is upset because it is no longer past success, it's about how rich can I get being 18 years old.
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LOL... no it isn't. This isn't about the kids for Saban. It is about the advantage he's enjoyed being undermined by this new level playing field. Saban had success and could recruit kids based on that, yes. Bama has also had a network for decades where boosters "took care of" Bama players.

Even if you think they weren't excellent cheaters under the old system... Saban is upset because the system that served to place him on an unreachable perch no longer exists. Others now have a real chance to go after top shelf players.

These kids have "handlers" or "family" that supposedly help them, but now through in money and watch what happens. They all want a piece of the pie now and its happening, whether we agree or disagree.
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This comes from your assumption that money is all that matters. Nico is the most notable current example. He will get paid. At the same time, he appears to really like the staff, UT, Knoxville, and the fans. Every player will consider ALL of the things important to THEM. Money undoubtedly will factor. But a lot of people on this board live where they do by choice. They could move somewhere else and double or triple their income. These kids are no different. Important things outside of money will play into their decision.

PS- if you were right then Tate would already be in the boat and shut down by an NIL contract. Kasper too. Webb wouldn't be a UF lean.
 
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