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What will the killing of Bin Laden on direct order by Obama mean for 2012?

From what I hear this morning on tv, Obama was in the Situation Room as the operation he signed off on unfolded and when they got word that Bin Laden was killed, there was applause in the room.
 
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Those in the know will chalk it up as an American Victory divided by two President's tenure.

Those who are less informed and ignorant enough to refute factual evidence will undoubtedly proclaim Obama is the sole reason Osama Bin Laden is dead.

Its about as positive a political situation as he's gonna get.
 
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congrats to him for signing off but please don't act like he planned it. This was done by the people on the ground identifying OBL and the brave men who went into the compound

and of course there was applause when a US operation killed the most wanted man in the world. Did you expect any different?

it means nothing for 2012 if people still don't have jobs and our debt is still climbing
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble but he was actually playing golf at the time

Now I know why Obama only played 9 holes of golf on Sunday! He stopped playing when getting the 1:45p report of killing Osama bin Laden.
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-- Senior editor of the Wash Times
 
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utvolpj said:
congrats to him for signing off but please don't act like he planned it. This was done by the people on the ground identifying OBL and the brave men who went into the compound

and of course there was applause when a US operation killed the most wanted man in the world. Did you expect any different?

it means nothing for 2012 if people still don't have jobs and our debt is still climbing
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Truth.
 
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utvolpj said:
congrats to him for signing off but please don't act like he planned it. This was done by the people on the ground identifying OBL and the brave men who went into the compound

and of course there was applause when a US operation killed the most wanted man in the world. Did you expect any different?

it means nothing for 2012 if people still don't have jobs and our debt is still climbing
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Agreed. "It's the economy, stupid". This will give Obama a bump in polls, but don't forget Bush I's ratings after Desert Storm. They were pushing 90%. We all know what happened in '92 after the economy tanked.
 
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utvolpj said:
congrats to him for signing off but please don't act like he planned it. This was done by the people on the ground identifying OBL and the brave men who went into the compound

and of course there was applause when a US operation killed the most wanted man in the world. Did you expect any different?

it means nothing for 2012 if people still don't have jobs and our debt is still climbing
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I didn't say he planned it. Of course he didn't.

In my mind, the two points on which it will help him is that 1) he appears strong and capable in terms of handling the military; and 2) it should put to rest any claims that he places the interests of the world at large above those of the United States. The way he delivered his speech last night, it was to cast the news as beneficial to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.

To be sure, I don't view it as something he was personally involved in. But you have to admit he is in charge and it was his administration that decided to do an end-around the Pakistanis and go into the heart of their country to get him. That shows some moxy, imo.
 
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I heard Obama left after nine holes, because they told him they were ready to attack? That's at least what I first heard.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I didn't say he planned it. Of course he didn't.

In my mind, the two points on which it will help him is that 1) he appears strong and capable in terms of handling the military; and 2) it should put to rest any claims that he places the interests of the world at large above those of the United States. The way he delivered his speech last night, it was to cast the news as beneficial to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.

To be sure, I don't view it as something he was personally involved in. But you have to admit he is in charge and it was his administration that decided to do an end-around the Pakistanis and go into the heart of their country to get him. That shows some moxy, imo.
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As I said before, that was very smart. We can deal with the Pakistanians later. Getting Osama? Just do it.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Those who are less informed and ignorant enough to refute factual evidence will undoubtedly proclaim Obama is the sole reason Osama Bin Laden is dead.
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Only took 8 minutes

lawgator1 said:
But you have to admit he is in charge and it was his administration that decided to do an end-around the Pakistanis and go into the heart of their country to get him. That shows some moxy, imo.
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lawgator1 said:
I didn't say he planned it. Of course he didn't.

In my mind, the two points on which it will help him is that 1) he appears strong and capable in terms of handling the military;
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how so? I doubt it's the first plan he's signed off on and probably won't be the last. That's his job

I give him credit for not bombing the compound (although some of his reasons were a bit weak) and sending in the best we have to make sure it was done.
 
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zjcvols said:
As I said before, that was very smart. We can deal with the Pakistanians later. Getting Osama? Just do it.
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Exactly. From what I've read/heard, the Pakistanis have on at least one occasion actively thwarted efforts to locate him. That was before 9/11, but it still seemed as though they had some elements in their government that weren't entirely cooperative.
 
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droski said:
wait you didn't hear his speach? he gave the orders, he made him target #1. dude practically pulled the trigger.
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nope I was asleep and didn't hear the news until 630 this morning. Not sure I would have watched him anyway
 
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utvolpj said:
how so? I doubt it's the first plan he's signed off on and probably won't be the last. That's his job

I give him credit for not bombing the compound (although some of his reasons were a bit weak) and sending in the best we have to make sure it was done.
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The reason I heard on the news this morning was that they wanted a body for 100 % confirmation purposes. Bombing risked leaving some doubt.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reason I heard on the news this morning was that they wanted a body for 100 % confirmation purposes. Bombing risked leaving some doubt.
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that's true but he also mentioned the "innocent" people also in the house that would die. My definition of innocent must be different
 
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droski said:
wait you didn't hear his speach? he gave the orders, he made him target #1. dude practically pulled the trigger.
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I think you are exaggerating what he said a little bit there for sarcasm effect.

Any POTUS would take the chance to get him, certainly. But it was his administration that did it in such a manner that Bin Laden wasn't warned off yet again and did it in a way that put politics of dealing with Pakistan aside for the greater goal.

Those aren't simple things.

That's what I give him credit for.
 
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Anybody with half a brain knows that the "President's Authorization" is simply a check the box admin issue in situations like this.
 
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droski said:
wait you didn't hear his speech? he gave the orders, he made him target #1. dude practically pulled the trigger.
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Dang, just be happy for a few minutes for our nation. It doesn't have to be politics all the time. Said this several times, we are ONE NATION not two political parties. Just be glad that our guys got him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think you are exaggerating what he said a little bit there for sarcasm effect.

Any POTUS would take the chance to get him, certainly. But it was his administration that did it in such a manner that Bin Laden wasn't warned off yet again and did it in a way that put politics of dealing with Pakistan aside for the greater goal.

Those aren't simple things.

That's what I give him credit for.
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he didn't have to go on and on about all the things he did. nor did he have to pull the "all muslims aren't terrorists" card. beyond that i'm happy with the speech. but let's face it other than giving the go ahead he and his administration didn't have jack **** to do with killing the guy,.
 
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utvolpj said:
that's true but he also mentioned the "innocent" people also in the house that would die. My definition of innocent must be different
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Did he say "innocent people in the house"? Don't recall that, but you might be right.

I think we all know what the worry would be on that score, i.e. what if the intelligence is wrong and you just blew up some random family. Plus the concern over having a body is super critical, obviously.

Now we can state it conclusively, DNA tested, etc.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Those who are less informed and ignorant enough to refute factual evidence will undoubtedly proclaim Obama is the sole reason Osama Bin Laden is dead.
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And again...

lawgator1 said:
Any POTUS would take the chance to get him, certainly. But it was his administration that did it in such a manner that Bin Laden wasn't warned off yet again and did it in a way that put politics of dealing with Pakistan aside for the greater goal.

Those aren't simple things.

That's what I give him credit for.
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