I'll ask: The pink elephant in the room.....

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therealUT said:
Anybody with half a brain knows that the "President's Authorization" is simply a check the box admin issue in situations like this.
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droski said:
wait you didn't hear his speech? he gave the orders, he made him target #1. dude practically pulled the trigger.
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I thought the same thing while listening....however I give him credit. I would have never thought he would order a kill shot but he did. Its a great accomplishment.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think you are exaggerating what he said a little bit there for sarcasm effect.

Any POTUS would take the chance to get him, certainly. But it was his administration that did it in such a manner that Bin Laden wasn't warned off yet again and did it in a way that put politics of dealing with Pakistan aside for the greater goal.

Those aren't simple things.

That's what I give him credit for.
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Once again, this is bigger than politics.
 
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droski said:
he didn't have to go on and on about all the things he did. nor did he have to pull the "all muslims aren't terrorists" card. beyond that i'm happy with the speech. but let's face it other than giving the go ahead he and his administration didn't have jack **** to do with killing the guy,.
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Mmmmmm... I think he had to pull the "all Muslims aren't terrorists" card given what had just occurred in terms of going into Pakistan to attack the compound. From what I have seen on tv, this was one large estate in the midst of a really upscale area, with a lot of wealthy people. It would have been disastrous to be wrong.

It also helps I think portray this as good for the whole world, not just the U.S., to say that it was about Bin Laden and terrorism, not about Muslims in general.
 
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cd12 said:
I thought the same thing while listening....however I give him credit. I would have never thought he would order a kill shot but he did. Its a great accomplishment.
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i don't think obama is a pussy. personally i would have dropped a bomb on his compound when they found it and screw the "civilian" casualties. imagine if he had changed location. seems like a stupid risk to take.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think you are exaggerating what he said a little bit there for sarcasm effect.

Any POTUS would take the chance to get him, certainly. But it was his administration that did it in such a manner that Bin Laden wasn't warned off yet again and did it in a way that put politics of dealing with Pakistan aside for the greater goal.

Those aren't simple things.

That's what I give him credit for.
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LG, these are ridiculous implications to make and this is a ridiculous conclusion to draw.
 
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droski said:
i don't think obama is a pussy. personally i would have dropped a bomb on his compound when they found it and screw the "civilian" casualties. imagine if he had changed location. seems like a stupid risk to take.
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I feel that in this situation, they needed to be sure they got him. Getting his body seems to be the only way to guarantee that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Mmmmmm... I think he had to pull the "all Muslims aren't terrorists" card given what had just occurred in terms of going into Pakistan to attack the compound. From what I have seen on tv, this was one large estate in the midst of a really upscale area, with a lot of wealthy people. It would have been disastrous to be wrong.

It also helps I think portray this as good for the whole world, not just the U.S., to say that it was about Bin Laden and terrorism, not about Muslims in general.
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disagree. he said we attack people who attack us. leave it at that. the people in pakistan aren't going to like us anyway.
 
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droski said:
i don't think obama is a pussy. personally i would have dropped a bomb on his compound when they found it and screw the "civilian" casualties. imagine if he had changed location. seems like a stupid risk to take.
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Ground troops send a much better message.

I'm glad they did what they did.
 
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droski said:
i don't think obama is a pussy. personally i would have dropped a bomb on his compound when they found it and screw the "civilian" casualties. imagine if he had changed location. seems like a stupid risk to take.
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You have to assume he was spotted eyes on sometime immediately prior to the mission launch.
 
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droski said:
i don't think obama is a pussy. personally i would have dropped a bomb on his compound when they found it and screw the "civilian" casualties. imagine if he had changed location. seems like a stupid risk to take.
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They had to have some damn good intel and with the op being delayed a day because of weather leads me to believe that someone had eyes on him or they would have never attempted this type of op.
 
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justingroves said:
Ground troops send a much better message.

I'm glad they did what they did.
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Agreed. The impact is greater knowing that we sent SF in, they put a bullet in his head, and we took the body as we went out the door. A drone attack wouldn't have the psychological impact or been as satisfying to know that they can't use his grave as an inspiration.
 
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therealUT said:
LG, these are ridiculous implications to make and this is a ridiculous conclusion to draw.
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Why?

Leaks in the past had doomed similar efforts.

Also, as has been pointed out by others, Obama was the one who ordered that it be a kill mission.

And, it was Obama's administration (and ultimately him) that decided to go right past the Pakistani government and not create opportunity for delay or warning or missing the opportunity just because of the passage of time.

I am not saying the act of ordering forces to attack is something any other POTUS could not or would not have done. Just saying Obama and his administration executed this in a manner that was effective in respect to ways in which previous efforts failed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why?

Leaks in the past had doomed similar efforts.

Also, as has been pointed out by others, Obama was the one who ordered that it be a kill mission.

And, it was Obama's administration (and ultimately him) that decided to go right past the Pakistani government and not create opportunity for delay or warning or missing the opportunity just because of the passage of time.

I am not saying the act of ordering forces to attack is something any other POTUS could not or would not have done. Just saying Obama and his administration executed this in a manner that was effective in respect to ways in which previous efforts failed.
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Obama executed this in a manner that by now, in the GWOT, is SOP; nothing more, nothing less.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why?

Leaks in the past had doomed similar efforts.

Also, as has been pointed out by others, Obama was the one who ordered that it be a kill mission.

And, it was Obama's administration (and ultimately him) that decided to go right past the Pakistani government and not create opportunity for delay or warning or missing the opportunity just because of the passage of time.

I am not saying the act of ordering forces to attack is something any other POTUS could not or would not have done. Just saying Obama and his administration executed this in a manner that was effective in respect to ways in which previous efforts failed.
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I feel like anyone would have done the same thing, to be honest.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am not saying the act of ordering forces to attack is something any other POTUS could not or would not have done. Just saying Obama and his administration executed this in a manner that was effective in respect to ways in which previous efforts failed.
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what previous efforts have failed? except clinton not taking him out when he could that is.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I feel like anyone would have done the same thing, kto be honest.
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Well, that might be the effect then -- to place Obama in the same light as prior POTUS' who have been perceived as much stronger on national security than Obama. Don't think he'll be getting that criticism this go 'round.
 
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