Illinois parade shooting spree

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NorthDallas40 said:
The “connection to Trump” is absolutely stupid. This was a crazy ass whack job. As I correctly connected this shooter to Uvalde that is the only correlation that matters. Both young troubled mentally unstable males that made some really bad decisions. That’s it.
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Yep. There is no reason to believe the fact that this guy may be a Trumper and the fact that Illinois is majority Democrat have any bearing on the fact that this occurred.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ok I’ll add you to the list of dipshit political hacks. Thanks for playing.
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I wasn't being sarcastic. I was agreeing with you.

Edit: my comment included the first two partisan arguments that immediately came up in this thread and there is no reason to believe either of them is relevant to why or how this happened.
 
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Several of these shooters have shown they are mentally unhinged with way too many warning signs to ignore. We clearly have a mental health problem in this country that isn’t being dealt with. It’s time to bring back the asylums.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Well...another POS nutjob just shot up the 4th July parade up there in a Dimwit controlled sheithole state.
So far 6 dead and 24 more hospitalized....parade group of kids ...plus onlookers....killed from an elevated sniper style position.
NEVER TELL HIS NAME.
HANG HIM IN TOWN SQUARE WITH a bag over his head.
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I completely agree; the crazy killers who crave their 15 minutes, even posthumously, MUST be denied their notoriety. Instead of looking at politicians to further restrict 2A, we should be united in ardent pursuit of restricting 1A (freedom of press). Prohibit the identification of anyone using weapons to kill a group of people indiscriminately. If we took that approach, these horrific events would begin to fade into obscurity except for the random incident.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I wasn't being sarcastic. I was agreeing with you.

Edit: my comment included the first two partisan arguments that immediately came up in this thread and there is no reason to believe either of them is relevant to why or how this happened.
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On your edit. Even if they find some manifesto saying this idiot “wanted to kill Libs” or some stupid crap like that or even if the tables were turned the other way as in the Congressional baseball game shooting this crazy MFer still owns his own actions. It’s absolutely stupid trying to extrapolate the actions of a singular troubled mentally ill person to a whole group of political opponents. Yet we see the two majority parties in this country continuing to fuel the divisive speech. BOTH do it and I’m beyond sick of it. And I’m sick of the stupid strawman arguments always offered in defense of their own actions against the other party when they can’t get what they want. Our government is in desperate need of an enema or ten.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh your edit. Even if they find some manifesto saying this idiot “wanted to kill Libs” or some stupid crap like that or even if the tables were turned the other way this crazy MFer still owns his own actions. It’s absolutely stupid trying to extrapolate the actions of a singular troubled mentally ill person to a whole group of political opponents. Yet we see the two majority parties in this country continuing to fuel the divisive speech. BOTH do it and I’m beyond sick of it. And I’m sick of the stupid strawman arguments always offered in feelers of their own actions against the other party when they can’t get what they want. Our government is in desperate need of an enema or ten.
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Guilt of association is such a ridiculous thing to bring to the conversation. Crazies exist along all political ideology.
We don't hold Al Gore responsible for Ted Kazinski's murders. Normal muslims are not culpable for what the violent radicals do. Democrats aren't at fault just because Ted Kennedy killed a woman.
 
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McDad said:
Guilt of association is such a ridiculous thing to bring to the conversation. Crazies exist along all political ideology.
We don't hold Al Gore responsible for Ted Kazinski's murders. Normal muslims are not culpable for what the violent radicals do. Democrats aren't at fault just because Ted Kennedy killed a woman.
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Agree, except for the Ted Kennedy. He was elected multiple times after Chappaquiddick, this was the definition of privilege.
 
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Majors said:
Agree, except for the Ted Kennedy. He was elected multiple times after Chappaquiddick, this was the definition of privilege.
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But Ted killing Mary Jo doesn't mean the Dems are guilty of association.
 
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I'd like to open with what I consider to be a simple observation. All (ALL!) individuals who decide to kill a large number of random strangers is crazy. Even remotely sane people are simply incapable of getting from "I'm upset" to "I know...I'll try to kill a bunch of people I've never met".

Now there are subdivisions of crazy. Normal people could never get there mentally but one can at least contextually grasp why a loony leftist would target a Republican softball gathering or neo-Nazi a black church.

For this particular incident you have this psycho that some would try to pin on the far Right. A long haired tatted up Honda Fit driving wannabe rapper that went by the name Awake doesn't check a bunch of known MAGA boxes. Also were one to play a game of "There's a known ULTRA MAGA nutcase going to commit a mass killing and you have to guess where." I bet nobody would have put their money on a 4th a of July parade in an affluent, overwhelmingly white area. Pink Hat event? Pride parade? That would fit the narrative anyway.

Look, crazy CAN express itself politically. What's become problematic is that it's become nigh impossible for any act of crazy to not be MADE political.
 
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McDad said:
But Ted killing Mary Jo doesn't mean the Dems are guilty of association.
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It does if they kept voting and allowed him to hold office and his party for not having him step down. Even took a run at being President after it. He got off and lived a life of privilege.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you want to discriminate against citizens based on face tats and pink hair?
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My sub 3 YO grand children were over yesterday. They all 3 were observing and sorting... hot wheel cars from trucks, big balls from little balls, blue things from green things... we didn't teach them to observe and sort, they just did, so yes if I see someone with a face tattoo or pink hair, I mentally put them in a category.
 
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It’s just puzzling that the DOJ can find a disgruntled parent who hates their local school board on social media in about 8 minutes, but yet they’re always just a step slow in these situations. Even when people repeatedly drop a dime on the shooter (Parkland). This percentage of failure almost takes effort.
 
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Whether you believe this kid is Maga or Dem doesn't matter...he is mentally ill..signs were there..also what matters is that the majority of shootings like this happen in gun free zone of which most are controlled my Democrats policies regarding strict gun laws.thats the connections...his personal political belief will have less influence then a location where he can successfully kill...
 
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davethevol said:
Several of these shooters have shown they are mentally unhinged with way too many warning signs to ignore. We clearly have a mental health problem in this country that isn’t being dealt with. It’s time to bring back the asylums.
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We have a problem making people mentally ill by excusing bad behavior as a mental illness and trying to solve it with drugs.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
It’s just puzzling that the DOJ can find a disgruntled parent who hates their local school board on social media in about 8 minutes, but yet they’re always just a step slow in these situations. Even when people repeatedly drop a dime on the shooter (Parkland). This percentage of failure almost takes effort.
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Same goes for these social media companies. Say a mean word towards the wrong demo and you’re out of the system. Talk crazy about killing people….eh…we missed that one.
 
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Majors said:
It does if they kept voting and allowed him to hold office and his party for not having him step down. Even took a run at being President after it. He got off and lived a life of privilege.
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Dude. You're conflating 2 things, at least. The point of my post is the action of 1 doesn't incriminate the larger group.
Your issue with Ted holding office starts with the voters of Mass. The leadership in the Senate (at the time) is also an issue. And lastly, unless Ted was a felon or impeached, he could still run for president.

Let's just let this sideline die here and save it for another day, please.
 
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McDad said:
I completely agree; the crazy killers who crave their 15 minutes, even posthumously, MUST be denied their notoriety. Instead of looking at politicians to further restrict 2A, we should be united in ardent pursuit of restricting 1A (freedom of press). Prohibit the identification of anyone using weapons to kill a group of people indiscriminately. If we took that approach, these horrific events would begin to fade into obscurity except for the random incident.
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Totally agree with denying these sickos their 15 minutes of fame. However if we tried to not release the names the left would dox them as blond haired, blue eyed, straight white males with maga tattoos. And we know how gullible their minions are, ie EL
 
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