I'm curious why people are against immigrants

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#51
If we get rid of all the illegal immigrants who the hell is gonna mow my grass?
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droski said:
do you live in a border state? if not. STFU because you have no idea what illegal immigration is doing to those states.
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forget that. Our votegrabbers in DC have specifically enacted laws to divert legit American dollars to fund illegal aliens in many regards. I don't give a rip if my hating that idea bothers someone until they either take up my tax bill or stop the flow of funds. Until then, it's all votegrabbing and needless expense. That goes away, I don't give a flying crap about how many are here, so long as they abide by our rules.
 
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volholio said:
Is it a personal experience? What's the problem? Why does it raise your gander?

I'm curious.
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if you had ever lived in arizona you would understand. cars robbed, home invasions, drug dealers. i know most just want to work, but the 3 percent bad just destroy there chances. it is what the people of arizona want, and when i lived out there i wanted it to.
 
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IPorange said:
You'll just have to pay fair American wages, I guess.
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I'd rather give my money to a hard working illegal Mexican than some lazy good for nothing union member. Unions do more harm to capitalism than illegals.
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bamacheats said:
I'd rather give my money to a hard working illegal Mexican than some lazy good for nothing union member. Unions do more harm to capitalism than illegals.
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well, do it yourself you lazy bastage! that way you keep all your money.
 
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volholio said:
Whoa!!! I meant illegal immigrants.
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Then you should have said so.

Why don't we freak out over every single law and law breaker?
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I'm not sure what you mean. Many of us believe that laws should be enforced and that justice should be absolutely blind.

What law or law breaker do you think I'm not sufficiently freaked out about?

I mean why is it illegal immigrants that we freak out about?

Why do they bother us so much?
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Because there are more than 10 million of them and the politicians are not enforcing the laws or allowing others to do it. In fact, rather than trying to effectively hold people accountable for breaking the law the Dems are trying to give them citizenship in the hopes of expanding their voter base. How much more crooked and corrupt could people be?

Why this issue and not another issue? Why is it illegal immigration that stirs our angst so much?
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What other crime is this pervasive and does not have effective laws and resources against it?

I think the war on drugs is flawed but the laws are fairly clear and the resources are being committed.

Has it directly affected you? I guess that's what I'm wondering.
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Yes. I believe in a nation of laws. I believe in a free and civil society where people have the maximum freedom within the scope of laws to protect the rights of the individual.

There are millions of Americans who have done it the right way. How is it justice to them to allow others to do it the wrong way?

If the Dems truly had courage of their convictions, they'd just admit they want open borders and don't mind having immigrants swamp the welfare offices.

Illegals cost us all. They do not pay income taxes/SSI. Crime is higher in that demographic. Their children burden some school systems to the point of collapse. Those school systems cannot give a high quality education to indigenous students because so many resources must go to the English as a second language students whose parent(s) cannot help them at all.

Undocumented aliens are also a direct and real threat to our national security. The failure to control that border provides a direct entry route for foreign terrorists. Chavez' closeness to Iran makes this even worse.

I am all for bringing people in from Latin America but there is no reason at all to not control the flow, do it legally, make sure they aren't doing it to get on gov't benefits, and to prevent criminals from using the same entry.
 
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bamacheats said:
I'd rather give my money to a hard working illegal Mexican than some lazy good for nothing union member. Unions do more harm to capitalism than illegals.
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This is true in this very, very narrow sense. I have found that Latino immigrants will produce more work with fewer problems than your typical American worker... which means ALOT more work than your typical union worker.
 
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kev20 said:
well, do it yourself you lazy bastage! that way you keep all your money.
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youse sominabotchin icehole... keep your fargin union bastages outta my fargin factory... you miserable cork soaker.
 
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bamacheats said:
All the necks screaming, "they took our jobs!" That is union logic.
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I live out in the country. I'll have to sit on my porch a while this evening to see if I can hear these cries of anguish. Frankly, I didn't realize that the illegal immigrants had cattle pastures and corn fields here. :crazy:
 
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Anyone who doesn't understand needs to turn on Nightline NOW! They are doing a piece on a border town in a literal war with illegals.
 
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I have no problem with immigrants. It's the ILLEGAL immigrants that I take issue with. There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone trying to better themselves and/or family. I think we would all do the same in that situation. We have procedures for coming into this country for a reason. Follow them...
 
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sjt18 said:
This is true in this very, very narrow sense. I have found that Latino immigrants will produce more work with fewer problems than your typical American worker... which means ALOT more work than your typical union worker.
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Very true. I've said this before but most of my customers employ Latinos and its not because of cheaper wages. Its because they show up on time, don't take 30 smoke breaks, spend half the time on their call phone, call asking to be bailed out of jail or ask for a pay advance on Monday when they just got paid on Friday.

Many are trying to be here legally but the red tape is ridiculous. Does anyone really think its realistic to deport a population that is equal to the state of Illinois?
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And that is the funny thing about the rumors of circumventing the laws regarding amnesty. If these idiots in office wanted to 'circumvent' to do something to truly address the problem, they'd fix the actual process of work permits, etc. The bottleneck is in the paperwork and red tape. Amnesty does nothing to fix the problem. If anything it adds to it. Just streamline a process that is open, legal, etc. and let them come in and compete for jobs legally and contribute in many different ways.
 
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tri_vol said:
Very true. I've said this before but most of my customers employ Latinos and its not because of cheaper wages. Its because they show up on time, don't take 30 smoke breaks, spend half the time on their call phone, call asking to be bailed out of jail or ask for a pay advance on Monday when they just got paid on Friday.

Many are trying to be here legally but the red tape is ridiculous. Does anyone really think its realistic to deport a population that is equal to the state of Illinois?
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As you already know, I speak Spanish and so I can vouch that many of the Hispanics that are here are hard working, decent people. I speak with them all the time, and they seem genuinely appreciative to meet an American that can converse with them. But there are some that are young troublemakers and hoodlums. I still say, move in the military and close the southern borders first, stop the unfettered influx, then address the issues of dealing with those that are here and improving the process to legally immigrate. That stops the drug gang warfare in the border areas and the open door for terrorists. This problem has been going on for decades, and we get the same thing from the Fed over and over, some bill that fails to control the immigration, grants amnesty to everyone that is already here and leaves things ripe for the next round of "immigration reform".
 
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Seeing how many I've talked to care less about getting citizenship and all the perks, I think 'amnesty' is a waste of time. Most have families and lives back home wherever that is. They come here to make good money for half a year, go back home, and live like kings...or at least better than they did before. Just give them a work permit through a freed up process, let them dump some cash into the system, and go back home to the families. Of course this isn't the case with all of them.
 
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