"In disputable video evidence" redefined

#26
#26
the overturn on Pig's catch was horrible...he still had the ball pinned btw his arm and chest...they are allowed a ball to reposition if still in control...that call hurt our momentum...
 
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BoroVol20 said:
Even as a Tennessee fan, Carta-Samuels clearly crossed the line.
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I think he crossed the line too and the refs gave Vandy a bad spot, but there was ZERO video evidence on the replays to overturn it. Either way, Vandy gave us too many chances to win by two touchdowns and we couldn't capitalize.
 
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#30
Let's break this down.
-in: the replay official has his head "in" his rectum
-dis: the replay crew "dis"sed the Vols
- put: I want to "put" my head in the sand.
-able: this team is not "able" to get to a bowl.

Bottom line. Terrible offense and D folded when it mattered most.
 
#31
#31
Camera angle. They didn't have a down the line shot. From one angle it looked clear however from the other angle it looked like the linesman ran in where he was. And notice the linesmen on both sides come in exactly the same.

Piss poor this was overturned. The Replay guy took the camera angle he liked and ignored the other. But no way should he have overturned without seeing the ball.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
That was clearly the right call. You're missing the biggest issue. The game should not have been that close.
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I don't understand when people say " it should not have been close". It looked clear to me Vandy was a better team. Not by much but enough so to reflect the result.
 
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#33
His body was past to about his gut or knees. The problem is that by rule you spot the ball according to where you see it. You would have to be able to see the ball in order to re-spot it. The video evidence does not allow you to do that. Yes, we had plenty of other opportunities, but since the inception of replay I have never seen a reversed call without being able to see the ball.
 
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#34
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ESPN did not have a camera on the line, it was a camera angle from behind the line of scrimmage. Also, you could never see the ball. Was the ball in his gut?

I will not argue that the on the field ref had the right spot, it looked like a first down to me, but that official saw something, and I did not see any indisputable evidence to the contrary.

I sure as *ell don't know how the guy in the booth was able to mark it at a certain position. It appears to me he was looking at the yellow line on the screen (you know the one that is not official) and arbitrarily put it past it.
 
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bud0323 said:
It was a first down, but it should've never come down to that. During the drive one of our DBs was called for a face mask, but it was the receiver who grabbed the face mask.
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This a million times over. I about lost it when they showed the replay with the candy receiver's hands in our mask
 
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#36
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No way you over turn the call without seeing the ball.regardless of what looks obvious. Bad call on the field but a terrible call to over the call on the field..
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Yeah, he was over. he would have had to been holding the ball by his knees for the original spot to stand.
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I Think his point is that you could not see where the ball was. While I think he did make the line to gain , you can't see exactly where the ball was. It would have been nice if there is a shot straight down the line of scrimmage. The replay was watching a camera angle behind the play ,the referee was looking straight down the line.
 
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mountainair said:
Camera angle. They didn't have a down the line shot. From one angle it looked clear however from the other angle it looked like the linesman ran in where he was. And notice the linesmen on both sides come in exactly the same.

Piss poor this was overturned. The Replay guy took the camera angle he liked and ignored the other. But no way should he have overturned without seeing the ball.
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I say he should have placed the ball on the 50 yard line rather than the 33. There was about the same evidence for either one...
 
#39
#39
The seniors were despicable, but the coaching staff programmed them for failure.....
 
#41
#41
To call a spot you have to see the ball. Anything else is merely a guess and, as such, represents a case of the replay official overturning a call based on opinion rather than fact.

It takes indisputable evidence to overturn a call. This decision was based on circumstantial evidence.
 
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GAVol said:
It was obviously a terrible spot before the review.
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I'd take the guys word that actually ran to the spot and saw where the ball was located as opposed to where the review booth "thinks" the ball is.

There was a very similar play in the LSU game that was much more evident than this one and the spot stood.

UT put the game in their hands to begin with and got screwed for it. It never should have gotten to that.
 
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I'm sure they'll make a rule about this after the season though. Tennessee, the trail blazers of getting rules right the second time around.
 
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deezvols said:
There's not many people who will sensibly argue that the spot was in our favor, but the issue is the fact that the replay official overturned the call with indisputable video evidence that the ball crossed the line.
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Same situation today in the LSU/TaM game and Manzeil obviously had the first down and replay would not overturn the spot.
 
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#47
#47
Watch the video- BOTH side officials ran in and marked his progress short of the yellow line. Not just the one closest to us, but also the far one as well. But yeah, the man upstairs could "indisputably" see the ball was past the line.

/sarc

AV
 
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#48
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The head of officiating said the overturn was the correct call...

As did everyone else who saw the play. He would have had to have the ball between his feet for the spot he got. We lost, it sucks, but that was 100% the correct call
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
The head of officiating said the overturn was the correct call...

As did everyone else who saw the play. He would have had to have the ball between his feet for the spot he got. We lost, it sucks, but that was 100% the correct call
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You can't judge the spot of a ball by looking at where the carrier's back is positioned at the end of a play.

If you can't see the ball, then you can't make the call.

Replay official in the A&M/LSU game got it right. The one we had decided he possessed X-ray vision.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
The head of officiating said the overturn was the correct call...

As did everyone else who saw the play. He would have had to have the ball between his feet for the spot he got. We lost, it sucks, but that was 100% the correct call
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Dude, these guys always defend fellow officials.

Indisputable. Not, "I'm pretty sure."
 
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