In games Barton scores 13 or more points...

[Stoked]

They are 5-12 in the ACC, we are 2-1 against ACC teams this year. I think our winning % is slightly better, and yes, their conference schedule is better, but that's only half their schedule. Their OOC SOS was 290, ours was 43, gotta look at the whole picture man.

Like I said, we have twice the record against a much harder schedule. Trae had his shot here and got us to the NIT twice, and is gonna amount to less at GT, looks like Barton may do better.

Regardless I'd take Golden over Barton any day of the week. Golden was inconsistent last year but no where close to how much Barton is this year. Barton isn't a pg neither is Golden, both are scorers and Golden is better at him than that. A small lineup of Thompson/Golden/ McRae/ Richardson or Maymon/ Stokes is a deadly scoring lineup.

The difference between Golden last year and Barton this year is that Barton actually has a true pg backing him up (or some cases starting over him)...who was Golden's back up last year? Brandon Lopez? McRae? If we had Golden with an actual back pg this year we wouldn't be on the bubble. But like you said it's Golden's fault that he isn't here.

 

[Spartacavolus]

did it not strike anyone as funny that Trae earned an academic honor? Since he supposedly plagiarized?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Lol Talent around Barton>>>talent around Trae.

Agree, but trae didn't do much better with the talent at UT either.

Lol

 

[Stoked]

Coming in we thought Barton was going to give us this amazing defensive stopper...haven't really witnessed that. Also thought we have a better distributor...again I thought Golden did a better job at that. Also though we'd have a better fast break with Barton...that's on CCM though.

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

does correlation equal causation.

 

[Stoked]

Agree, but trae didn't do much better with the talent at UT either.

Lol

Had to take on the whole pg role by himself. Didn't have Thompson to bail him out and start for him if need be. Also didn't have Maymon. Too Short > Barton

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

since you love blasting people for making statements that cant be proven, how do you know UT wouldn't have won those six games anyway by that same margin if Barton had scored 5.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Regardless I'd take Golden over Barton any day of the week. Golden was inconsistent last year but no where close to how much Barton is this year. Barton isn't a pg neither is Golden, both are scorers and Golden is better at him than that. A small lineup of Thompson/Golden/ McRae/ Richardson or Maymon/ Stokes is a deadly scoring lineup.

The difference between Golden last year and Barton this year is that Barton actually has a true pg backing him up (or some cases starting over him)...who was Golden's back up last year? Brandon Lopez? McRae? If we had Golden with an actual back pg this year we wouldn't be on the bubble. But like you said it's Golden's fault that he isn't here.

Sure Golden's a better scorer, but what he scores more than Barton he gives up on the other end.

I prefer Barton, and Mark Pancratz who knows more about both guys than anyone on this board has said Barton is better for this team than golden.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Coming in we thought Barton was going to give us this amazing defensive stopper...haven't really witnessed that. Also thought we have a better distributor...again I thought Golden did a better job at that. Also though we'd have a better fast break with Barton...that's on CCM though.

Barton has been plenty better on D than Trae imo, man up and help. We'd end up putting Skylar on pg's at times the last 2 years.
AB hasn't distributed that much, but again, we give him no picks or clearouts and ask him mainly to pass it to the wing. We didn't do as much of that last game. Pick and roll to Maymon was nice. He can dribble it and make the pass. Why are we 27 games in and seeing that for the first time?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Had to take on the whole pg role by himself. Didn't have Thompson to bail him out and start for him if need be. Also didn't have Maymon. Too Short > Barton

Disagree completely.

Better scorer, but as I've said he gives up a lot more defensively.

And as Sparty has touched on, we don't need a guy like Trae at PG. We don't need a guy looking for his shot, driving outta control, and taking 15 shots a game. Our PG needs to do exactly what Barton did last game, take care of the ball and hit open 3s.

 

[BadJerry20]

Agree, but trae didn't do much better with the talent at UT either.

Lol

You can't be serious. Stokes has improved, Josh has improved. Jordy wasn't Jordy, Traes first year starting, Maymon was injured year 2. I'm not saying we would be better with Trae, but comparing their current teams or the talent they played with at Tennessee is a joke.

 

[OrngeJuiceJones]

Lol Talent around Barton>>>talent around Trae.

This x1000, you're absolutely right. People knocking trae need to take a look at what he's working with now, compared to what he would've had with UT this year. IMO, we would have a much better record. That being said, let's hope Barton is out of his slump. The thread on here about Barton scoring 13+ says it all.

 

[Stoked]

Trae had no help at all to back him up. Barton has Thompson. Throw Golden in with Thompson running the show and with Stokes and McRae and you have a scary lineup.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You can't be serious. Stokes has improved, Josh has improved. Jordy wasn't Jordy, Traes first year starting, Maymon was injured year 2. I'm not saying we would be better with Trae, but comparing their current teams or the talent they played with at Tennessee is a joke.

So now all those guys have improved?

I though nobody has improved under Martin. It's whatever fits the current argument I guess.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Trae had no help at all to back him up. Barton has Thompson. Throw Golden in with Thompson running the show and with Stokes and McRae and you have a scary lineup.

NIT scary

Saying pg has to have a good backup to be solid is foolish. Look around the nation, there's plenty of great PGs who don't have a great backup. Who's Napier's backup?

I bet if I go back to when Golden left and we landed Barton you had a different tune.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I was one of Trae's biggest supporters while he was here, I was often criticized for it similar to the Martin situation. So it's not at if I've always been a Golden basher, that's not the case.

I think Golden is by far the better scorer, he's a 2 in a 1s body. However, for this team, I think Barton is better than Golden. Martin had no confidence in Golden defensively and that would still be a major issue this year.

A lot of it is going to depend on how the season ends, but IMO we wouldn't be in any better shape if Golden was the PG.

 

[Stoked]

So now all those guys have improved?

I though nobody has improved under Martin. It's whatever fits the current argument I guess.

Your doing the same thing man. You are making an argument that the team is 6-0 when Barton scores 13+ but at the same time saying that we don't need him to score we need his defense over Trae's offense.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Your doing the same thing man. You are making an argument that the team is 6-0 when Barton scores 13+ but at the same time saying that we don't need him to score we need his defense over Trae's offense.

That actually not what I've said. We are 6-0 when he hits 3 or more 3s, maybe I should've worded it that way?

Golden is a damn 20% three point shooter, that's not what this team needs. There's a difference between a volume scorer like Golden, and an opportunistic 3 point shooter like Barton.

 

[Stoked]

NIT scary

Saying pg has to have a good backup to be solid is foolish. Look around the nation, there's plenty of great PGs who don't have a great backup. Who's Napier's backup?

I bet if I go back to when Golden left and we landed Barton you had a different tune.

BARTON isn't a pg though! Neither are. It would be one thing if Barton was, but he isn't. Same as Trae. So if I had a choice between a 2 in a 1's body it would be a 2 in a 1's body that can score and distribute. We are best when Barton is scoring you said it yourself in the OP. We need a scorer obviously. Golden is that.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

BARTON isn't a pg though! Neither are. It would be one thing if Barton was, but he isn't. Same as Trae. So if I had a choice between a 2 in a 1's body it would be a 2 in a 1's body that can score and distribute. We are best when Barton is scoring you said it yourself in the OP. We need a scorer obviously. Golden is that.

We need a scorer that does it from outside on few shots.

If you think adding a PG who shoots 20% from 3, and takes 15 shots a game this taking shots away from stokes and McRae I question your understanding of this team.

 

[Stoked]

That actually not what I've said. We are 6-0 when he hits 3 or more 3s, maybe I should've worded it that way?

Golden is a damn 20% three point shooter, that's not what this team needs. There's a difference between a volume scorer like Golden, and an opportunistic 3 point shooter like Barton.

Barton isn't exactly lighting it up. He's like 33% 3ptFG and isn't even over 70% FT or over 40% FG. If you want defense over a guy that's going to walk into a top 10 teams arena and drop 16 that's cool. But he better guard like Craft or Scotty from UF.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

BARTON isn't a pg though! Neither are. It would be one thing if Barton was, but he isn't. Same as Trae. So if I had a choice between a 2 in a 1's body it would be a 2 in a 1's body that can score and distribute. We are best when Barton is scoring you said it yourself in the OP. We need a scorer obviously. Golden is that.

Barton and Golden are averaging about the same assists per game this year, while Barton has twice the a:to ratio that golden has.

So for this year, Barton would actually be the better distributor.

 

[Stoked]

We need a scorer that does it from outside on few shots.

If you think adding a PG who shoots 20% from 3, and takes 15 shots a game this taking shots away from stokes and McRae I question your understanding of this team.

A scorer that does it from the outside? What for less than 5 games a year, because that's what Barton has given us.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Barton isn't exactly lighting it up. He's like 33% 3ptFG and isn't even over 70% FT or over 40% FG. If you want defense over a guy that's going to walk into a top 10 teams arena and drop 16 that's cool. But he better guard like Craft or Scotty from UF.

Barton guards better than Golden, that can't even be argued.

Barton is a career 40% three point shooter, that's what this team needs from PG, not a guy driving the lane throwing up 15 shots a game while hitting 30% of them.

What's Barton's percentages from 3 in the 6 games we won? That's my point.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

A scorer that does it from the outside? What for less than 5 games a year, because that's what Barton has given us.

Yet the OP clearly says 6-0, good one lol.

That was the whole point, when Barton gets involved and is shooting well, we are damn near unbeatable. The issue has been consistency, I'm not sure that's some secret?