In Italy, Economy and Law Leave Many Single Fathers Broke and Homeless

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Rasputin_Vol

Rasputin_Vol

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I guess these are "deadbeat dads"...

Indeed, one man, who gave his name as Franco, did not want to be fully identified to avoid suffering the shame if his wife and two daughters learned of his troubles. After his restaurant went bankrupt, he traveled in April to Milan from his native Puglia, in Italy’s far south, to find a job so he could keep up alimony payments to his wife of 34 years, with whom he had split about a year and half ago, he said.

“In Puglia I was living day to day but I couldn’t keep that up forever,” said Franco, 56, who said he was still supporting his daughters, both of whom are in their early twenties but unemployed.
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When Umberto Vaghi split from his wife in 2004, for example, he was ordered to pay her €2,000 a month to keep up their home and raise their two children, then 10 and 8. Mr. Vaghi, a manager, was earning €2,200 a month.
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Similarly, in Spain, court filings against fathers who have not paid alimony have risen sharply since the start of the economic crisis. Recent news reports in places like Navarra and Galicia describe fathers who have been jailed for failing to support their children. In April last year, a Barcelona judge denied parental custody to a divorced father, citing the fact that he had lost his job.
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So you have to have a job in order to be a father. But, even though you aren't the father, you will go to jail if you can't keep up the payments. Makes sense... :crazy:
 
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Putting a man in jail for failure to pay child support is one of the stupidist things we do in this modern age. It is akin to debtors prison, how is he supposed to make money if he is in jail? It is simply punishing the man for the failed relationship.

I'd like to know when was the last time a woman went to jail for this? There are plenty of single dads with the children in their home but very little enforcement on the moms payment of child support.
 
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YorkVol said:
Putting a man in jail for failure to pay child support is one of the stupidist things we do in this modern age. It is akin to debtors prison, how is he supposed to make money if he is in jail? It is simply punishing the man for the failed relationship.

I'd like to know when was the last time a woman went to jail for this? There are plenty of single dads with the children in their home but very little enforcement on the moms payment of child support.
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I was in between jobs and I almost went to jail. Hell, I was in high school and was orderd to pay support, by the time I graduated I owed 2500.00 dollars in back support.. and even when I had a good job, I couldn't get my own place cause I paid too much. Now, I always supported my kids, made sure they had whatever they needed.. but when a man can't provide for himself, or provide for his kids when its his weekend.. the system needs to be looked at..
 
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possumslayer said:
Every black adult male in jail in Italy?
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And.... When I got custody of my son, I went for support from her.. she was behind 3500.00 dollars and nothing was done. No court hearing to put her in jail for back support or nothing. I was outraged.. and asked was it because she is a woman that Nothings being done? I got no response..
 
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aredfox28 said:
And.... When I got custody of my son, I went for support from her.. she was behind 3500.00 dollars and nothing was done. No court hearing to put her in jail for back support or nothing. I was outraged.. and asked was it because she is a woman that Nothings being done? I got no response..
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did you hire a lawyer ?
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aredfox28 said:
And.... When I got custody of my son, I went for support from her.. she was behind 3500.00 dollars and nothing was done. No court hearing to put her in jail for back support or nothing. I was outraged.. and asked was it because she is a woman that Nothings being done? I got no response..
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3500 is on the low end for back support. I know people who are 10 or 15 thousand behind and have never been to jail for it. My step children's dad is about 7500 in and free as a bird. I always though jailing somebody for child support was counter-productive. Stupid even. But I do know people who have absolutely no intention paying and maybe they need to go.
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Yeah I was gonna go to jail for 2500.00.. thank god I had just gotten a call from the a chicken plant the day before, or the judge said I would of went to jail.. and having a lawyer present at a support hearing doesn't do a Damn bit of good, believe me..thank god next Friday I'm done with support...
 
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aredfox28 said:
Yeah I was gonna go to jail for 2500.00.. thank god I had just gotten a call from the a chicken plant the day before, or the judge said I would of went to jail.. and having a lawyer present at a support hearing doesn't do a Damn bit of good, believe me..thank god next Friday I'm done with support...
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Tyson ?
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Ras, I have to know what happened to you that caused you to take such a hard stance against women. You make some pretty valid points sometimes, but it gets negated when you constantly take the same stance, no matter how foolish it is. That being said, I agree with you on this. Too many times I have seen good fathers lose out on custody because the judge simply says 'a child can live without his father, but needs his mother'. Something needs to change, and quickly.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Ras, I have to know what happened to you that caused you to take such a hard stance against women. You make some pretty valid points sometimes, but it gets negated when you constantly take the same stance, no matter how foolish it is. That being said, I agree with you on this. Too many times I have seen good fathers lose out on custody because the judge simply says 'a child can live without his father, but needs his mother'. Something needs to change, and quickly.
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Just getting older and seeing the relationships of those around me (neighbors, family and friends) and comparing to my previous relationships. Plus the fact that as I get older and have the desire to have a family of my own. Plus, having had several experiences in the last 2 years that made me realize that how we do relationships here in the US/The West is completely bogus and that we deserve better (as men).

Plus, in the past 6 months, I've also seen 2 men close to me have to deal with divorce that I would have bet $1 million that their relationships would be rock solid... in both cases, initiated by the woman, which is the case in 70-80% of the cases out there.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
how we do relationships here in the US/The West is completely bogus and that we deserve better (as men).
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Please explain. The majority of relationships in South Asia, the Middle East, and the Asian mainland (basically, Asia minus S. Korea and Japan), are arranged. Women have little to no choice in who they are going to marry, when they want to have children, and when (and if) they can end a bad marriage. Is that situation preferable to the situation in the US/Occident?
 
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therealUT said:
Please explain. The majority of relationships in South Asia, the Middle East, and the Asian mainland (basically, Asia minus S. Korea and Japan), are arranged. Women have little to no choice in who they are going to marry, when they want to have children, and when (and if) they can end a bad marriage. Is that situation preferable to the situation in the US/Occident?
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I point out one case of injustice and inequality against men here in the west, and you counter that with injustice and inequality in parts of Asia.

Heaven forbid if all I'm asking for is some equality or partnership between the two sides. :unsure:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just getting older and seeing the relationships of those around me (neighbors, family and friends) and comparing to my previous relationships. Plus the fact that as I get older and have the desire to have a family of my own. Plus, having had several experiences in the last 2 years that made me realize that how we do relationships here in the US/The West is completely bogus and that we deserve better (as men).

Plus, in the past 6 months, I've also seen 2 men close to me have to deal with divorce that I would have bet $1 million that their relationships would be rock solid... in both cases, initiated by the woman, which is the case in 70-80% of the cases out there.
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Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.
 
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aredfox28 said:
I was in between jobs and I almost went to jail. Hell, I was in high school and was orderd to pay support, by the time I graduated I owed 2500.00 dollars in back support.. and even when I had a good job, I couldn't get my own place cause I paid too much. Now, I always supported my kids, made sure they had whatever they needed.. but when a man can't provide for himself, or provide for his kids when its his weekend.. the system needs to be looked at..
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The system is weighted against us and the punishment is counter productive to fixing any part of the problem.

Topic change: are you in Pa or did I misread that somewhere?
 
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