In order for a team to beat Alabama

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fade route said:
We all need to stop hyperventilating over Bama being the greatest team in the history of organized football. In 2 of the 3 years they've won it all they entered the NC game with one loss. They can be beat and do get beat. However, most of the time they play disciplined, fundamentally sound football and recruit really well. It's as simple as that. Let's move on to signing day.
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Bama is having their time now but it will eventually end.

Just look at the Chicago Bulls. They won by team play sometimes, and then sometimes they won by a lucky shot or the ref's helped them out.

Those days are gone and it is difficult for Chicago to even win one play off game, muchless, a series or a championship.


Bama's day will end...... How can they continue to get 4* and 5* recruits, year after year? If I were a 4* or 5* and I could go to Bama and sit the bench as a freshman, then play mop up duty as a sophomore and then possibly start my junior and senior season or go to U.T. and do an Eric Berry, Jason Allen, Manning, Jamaal Lewis, etc. and play immediately, then I will go to U.T.

Eventually Alabama's superior talent with all 85 players will end. Then other teams will be able to match them talent wise....
 
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Kiffin coached the best game of his career against Bama in 2009. Run the ball even if it is tough sledding, play-action passing and cut block the nose-guard every play. That kept it close and gave us an opportunity to win.
 
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Georgia had Alabama beat but just made a mental mistake at the end of the game. LSU played well enough to win but Chavis did what we've seen him do countless times with the defense and gave up that last drive. A&M played a great game and got it done.
If a few little breaks went the other way, Bama would've been in a lesser bowl. They're not invincible.
 
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#55
Op is right ol n dl so important.. Even the fastest teams end up losing to def with dominate dl. They penetrate n hold their blocks n makes them throw n most spread teams qb cant carry the team.

Why do u think out of all the sec national titles only two were spread n they had tebow n Newtin. All other others power football
 
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Rudy123 said:
Bama is having their time now but it will eventually end.

Just look at the Chicago Bulls. They won by team play sometimes, and then sometimes they won by a lucky shot or the ref's helped them out.

Those days are gone and it is difficult for Chicago to even win one play off game, muchless, a series or a championship.


Bama's day will end...... How can they continue to get 4* and 5* recruits, year after year? If I were a 4* or 5* and I could go to Bama and sit the bench as a freshman, then play mop up duty as a sophomore and then possibly start my junior and senior season or go to U.T. and do an Eric Berry, Jason Allen, Manning, Jamaal Lewis, etc. and play immediately, then I will go to U.T.

Eventually Alabama's superior talent with all 85 players will end. Then other teams will be able to match them talent wise....
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The scholarship limit imposed by the ncaa has established parity in college football. The successful programs have become efficient at identifying and pursuing talented players, an absolute must with the signing limits. Establishing relationships HS coaches is vital in the recruiting wars these days.
CBJ has used the word diligence numerous times , indicating his attitude and his work ethic. Given time he and his staff will be successful at UT. :hi: :crossfingers:
 
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Buck Fama. Made me sick last night, couldn't even bear to watch it. Ready for us to march into Tuscaloosa next year and bring our Tennessee fight with us. Made me so mad that I played Bama with Tennessee last night on NCAA and completely annihilated them. Needless to say, it provided some sense of consolation.
 
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#58
I hate bama. Too much probably.

That said, I'm so jealous of their style and system. It's so in your face, power and control of the LOS, run straight at you.

I wish we were going to be like that. I hate watching spread, hurry up offenses, and love it when they get smashed by power teams like alablamer.
 
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CountVolcula said:
you HAVE to not only control but dominate both lines of scrimmage. The Texas A&M came was a fluke. It was an off day for Alabama. 9 times out of 10, Alabama wins that game.

You can have the fastest RBs, best QB, Best WRs, you are not beating Bama unless you have superior OL and DL talent. You have to beat them at their own game

Alabama wins by dominating those two lines. With that, they can control the game. They don't control it by running gimmicky offenses or trying to throw for 500 yards and 5 TDs. They pound, pound, pound your OL and DL into dust

Until you beat them at their game, your chances of success are minimal. Until you recruit the meanest SOBs on both sides of the line, you won't have much of a chance

So getting your hopes up about speed,speed,speed isn't going to do much good if you can't control that line
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I think Alabama had played at LSU the week before. But i do agree you have to get some players with attitude to go against Bama. They were talking today on XM raido that Bama had 4 and 5 star kds who couldn't even get in the two deep positions. They red shirt kids who can start in other places. And Bama shows you need a big running back that can carry the load.
 
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start with top five recruiting classes every year like the bammers get.
 
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CountVolcula said:
you HAVE to not only control but dominate both lines of scrimmage. The Texas A&M came was a fluke. It was an off day for Alabama. 9 times out of 10, Alabama wins that game.

You can have the fastest RBs, best QB, Best WRs, you are not beating Bama unless you have superior OL and DL talent. You have to beat them at their own game

Alabama wins by dominating those two lines. With that, they can control the game. They don't control it by running gimmicky offenses or trying to throw for 500 yards and 5 TDs. They pound, pound, pound your OL and DL into dust

Until you beat them at their game, your chances of success are minimal. Until you recruit the meanest SOBs on both sides of the line, you won't have much of a chance

So getting your hopes up about speed,speed,speed isn't going to do much good if you can't control that line
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Best post I've read in a while....This IS THE definition of fundamental football! I don't give a crap how many yards the spread offenses produce...when they face fundamentally sound and PHYSICAL teams--they goin down!!!

And it's the type of FB our beloved VOLS played in 1998 to win the NC...running almost 60% of the time behind a great OLine...

Anyone remember Dan Fouts & the Chargers??? Great offense--not physical...pitiful D--NO CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Oregon in 2010?? Beaten...Oregon vs. LSU in beginning of 2011--HAMMERED! Oregon vs. Bama this year--they would lose by 14 because they aren't physical on the OLINE and the DLINE. Stanford vs. Bama would have been a GREAT game to watch!

I can just HOPE that CBJ will recruit physical O & D-lineman. GO VOLS! :salute:
 
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CountVolcula said:
you HAVE to not only control but dominate both lines of scrimmage. The Texas A&M came was a fluke. It was an off day for Alabama. 9 times out of 10, Alabama wins that game.

You can have the fastest RBs, best QB, Best WRs, you are not beating Bama unless you have superior OL and DL talent. You have to beat them at their own game

Alabama wins by dominating those two lines. With that, they can control the game. They don't control it by running gimmicky offenses or trying to throw for 500 yards and 5 TDs. They pound, pound, pound your OL and DL into dust

Until you beat them at their game, your chances of success are minimal. Until you recruit the meanest SOBs on both sides of the line, you won't have much of a chance

So getting your hopes up about speed,speed,speed isn't going to do much good if you can't control that line
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First off BUCK FAMA!

You are way off the mark the A&M game was no fluke, While I agree bama maybe didnÂ’t anticipate A&M to hit them in the mouth the way they did, bama regrouped and still could not stop them. I am an A&M alum and I agree that bama would probably win the next contest between the two but it would come down to the wire. Stop drooling over them they will fall sooner or later.

Just off the mark about A&M being a fluke everything else is spot on
 
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TAMUVOLS12 said:
First off BUCK FAMA!

You are way off the mark the A&M game was no fluke, While I agree bama maybe didnÂ’t anticipate A&M to hit them in the mouth the way they did, bama regrouped and still could not stop them. I am an A&M alum and I agree that bama would probably win the next contest between the two but it would come down to the wire. Stop drooling over them they will fall sooner or later.

Just off the mark about A&M being a fluke everything else is spot on
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Ok
 
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Other_Guy said:
I disagree on the fluke. I do think Bama wins that rematch more often than not but A&M could do no wrong, well Manziel couldn't. Don't forget, if Les Miles hadn't have decided to be Dooley for a day Bama would have TWO losses. Bama has never been great against dual threat QBs with up tempo offense. You are correct on the trenches though. I just don't think you are giving A&M enough credit.
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I agree with you that this was not a fluke and A&M does not get enough credit. They have 3 lineman that will all be drafted in the first round. All may go in the top 10. Two OL and 1 DL. They have talent to compete with Bama.
 
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orangeaid said:
Georgia had Alabama beat but just made a mental mistake at the end of the game. LSU played well enough to win but Chavis did what we've seen him do countless times with the defense and gave up that last drive. A&M played a great game and got it done.
If a few little breaks went the other way, Bama would've been in a lesser bowl. They're not invincible.
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Funny you guys don't remember the 3 turnovers that Bama had in the 1st qtr against A&M. After that the Bubbas outscored the Aggies 24-8...and that game happened the week after the very physical LSU game....

I hate Bama as much as the next guy, but the point is that A&M GOT the breaks and the BEST week to play Alabubba...and got beat for 3 of the 4 quarters.

And Richt said UGA had their play and ran it to win--NO MENTAL ERROR! Bubba's Mosley made a play when it mattered. Not luck, nor mental error--JUST EFFORT! Funny how NO ONE has mentioned how high Mosely jumped to tip the pass that fell into the UGA player's hands...That wasn't luck!

The same thing could be said and HAS BEEN said on here over and over--and rightly so--about Billy Ratliff's effort to push Bulsworth back and caused Stoerner to stumble and fumble in the '98 Arky game--or we probably would've been playing in a lesser bowl that year.

No one's said that Bama is invincible, but to beat them you better come ready to strap it on for 60 minutes and be able to deliver a pounding as well as take one.

We can just dream about having that kind of a team again--but I hope it will be reality come 2014 or 2015!
 
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#69
The fact really is Bama should have lost to LSU and unfortunately Miles Dooley'd that game. Bama has/had a poor pass defense and McCarron isn't a good quarterback. Notre Dame was obviously not a great team. Bama whips most teams butts but isn't as invinsible as some migh say. They didn't play Florida and that could've been a toss up. Heck against SCjr with healthy Lattimore and Shaw would've been close. Oregon could hang with them. There was no one that stood out to me as a dominant team. Purely teams that were good enough to beat most teams but not some.
 
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CountVolcula said:
you HAVE to not only control but dominate both lines of scrimmage. The Texas A&M came was a fluke. It was an off day for Alabama. 9 times out of 10, Alabama wins that game.

You can have the fastest RBs, best QB, Best WRs, you are not beating Bama unless you have superior OL and DL talent. You have to beat them at their own game

Alabama wins by dominating those two lines. With that, they can control the game. They don't control it by running gimmicky offenses or trying to throw for 500 yards and 5 TDs. They pound, pound, pound your OL and DL into dust

Until you beat them at their game, your chances of success are minimal. Until you recruit the meanest SOBs on both sides of the line, you won't have much of a chance

So getting your hopes up about speed,speed,speed isn't going to do much good if you can't control that line
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we used to play that way
 
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#71
Really tired of reading Vol fans promoting the idea Bammer's are like something from one of Hitler's experiments. They are well coached and don't beat themselves. Lest you forget a very scrawny and limited Vol team coached by Kiffin gave them more than they ever wanted, granted Mountain Cody saved them, BUT, the first thing that has to happen is our players have to understand we can go in there and kick their sorry one toothed marrying their mamas and cousin being the same woman's axx with regularity. We need a staff that teaches our young men how to do that and hold them accountable to do that. eff Bammer.
 
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Other_Guy said:
The fact really is Bama should have lost to LSU and unfortunately Miles Dooley'd that game. Bama has/had a poor pass defense and McCarron isn't a good quarterback. Notre Dame was obviously not a great team. Bama whips most teams butts but isn't as invinsible as some migh say. They didn't play Florida and that could've been a toss up. Heck against SCjr with healthy Lattimore and Shaw would've been close. Oregon could hang with them. There was no one that stood out to me as a dominant team. Purely teams that were good enough to beat most teams but not some.
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His 30 TD's to 3 INT's are better than any of Peyton's years.
 
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Remember that the SEC is very cyclical. Things change. Alabama was thought to be a coaching wasteland after Bear Bryant for a long time. Very demanding fan base with a short hook. The biggest threats that Alabama has are Auburn and Texas A&M. A strong football program at Auburn is important for keeping Alabama in check and creates competition for the top recruits in the state. The coaching staff and Malzahn's evil geniusness should make the Iron Bowl competitive again. And Texas A&M was a sleeping giant awoken by its entrance into the SEC. If they continue to improve, Bama has some real competition in the West.
 
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