In state prospects

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peaygolf said:
dolt...idiot...?

saying that to a guy who is voicing an opinion on a message board with other wanna be recruiters and coaches is very petty.

I hope CJP and staff are right in their evals on the in-state prospects. I will side with him until he proves himself wrong. 100% faith (I never liked Wilhoite or W. Washinton to begin with). But, one of the 1st rules in recruiting is to have the ability to pluck the top talent from your own state. I'm not sure many of the top players in TN even thought about UT as a serious option. That isn't CJP's fault. That is an entirely different discussion.
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I respect the POV of full throated support until proven otherwise. After some really bad hires, I am on the other side of the fence and will have to see results on the field and on signing day before I will have any faith that the Pruitt era will be any better than the last one.
 
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peaygolf said:
dolt...idiot...?

saying that to a guy who is voicing an opinion on a message board with other wanna be recruiters and coaches is very petty.

I hope CJP and staff are right in their evals on the in-state prospects. I will side with him until he proves himself wrong. 100% faith (I never liked Wilhoite or W. Washinton to begin with). But, one of the 1st rules in recruiting is to have the ability to pluck the top talent from your own state. I'm not sure many of the top players in TN even thought about UT as a serious option. That isn't CJP's fault. That is an entirely different discussion.
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Didn't you just post a day or so ago saying that you were just looking for a reasonable explanation?
And once someone gave you one (Memphis and that we weren't recruiting the others), you were ok?

How many threads have you been in since saying you were okay, trying to convince everyone that we're missing out on players that we aren't even recruiting?
 
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chargervol said:
Didn't you just post a day or so ago saying that you were just looking for a reasonable explanation?
And once someone gave you one (Memphis and that we weren't recruiting the others), you were ok?

How many threads have you been in since saying you were okay, trying to convince everyone that we're missing out on players that we aren't even recruiting?
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I am ok with it. I just see the other posters point of view. Calm down.

BTW...My last post wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything. Did you actually read it?
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
All I can say is that some of the top recruits in state haven't even been offered by Tennessee which means that they aren't good fits for CJPs system.
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Pruitt has said several times that he only wants kids who want to be at Tennessee. He has also said that he is not going to let anybody else (i.e. recruiting services) tell him who is a football player. And it appears to me that his process for evaluating a kid starts with getting him on campus for a tryout...even if Tennessee has already offered the kid before the kid has stepped on campus.

As far as in-state talent for the 2019 cycle, I do not see that we are "loaded," at least at this stage based on the recruiting services' rankings (all I have to go on).

We have only four in-state players in the Rivals top 100 prospects; we have two players in ESPN's top 100 prospects and zero players in the 247 composite top 100.

Like Fulmer, I don't think Pruitt will chase an in-state kid just because he's highly rated and from a TN high school; I do think Pruitt can recognize talent and will offer the same kids who are getting offers from other programs who are historically good at recognizing talent.

Our three highest-ranked in-state players, according to the above services, are committed to Oklahoma, Oregon and LSU. All three have offers from Tennessee. It doesn't look like any have visited campus. No part of me believes that this staff will weep if none of these three flip to Tennessee.

One thing seems very clear to me: Pruitt has all kinds of recruiting things going on quietly, below the radar, especially on-campus visits. He has already surprised us a few times with commitments out of the blue and my guess is that he'll continue to do that.

Re: the Nashville area: we have to remember that a lot of the talent here in Nashville/Mboro have absolutely no loyalty whatsoever to the state of TN or to the University of Tennessee. Many kids did not grow up bleeding orange, many did not spend their early, formative years even living in TN, and most can't remember the last time Tennessee had a good football team. The last time we won 10 games was in 2007 and these kids were 10-11 years old...and maybe living somewhere outside the state.

I believe that Pruitt is going after the best football players who are likely to meet our needs, no matter where they live. I also believe that he is wise enough to depend on Fulmer to help get those players.
 
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#30
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we all are still in the wait and see period of a new incoming coach...remember, we've been here before...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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peaygolf said:
dolt...idiot...?

saying that to a guy who is voicing an opinion on a message board with other wanna be recruiters and coaches is very petty.

I hope CJP and staff are right in their evals on the in-state prospects. I will side with him until he proves himself wrong. 100% faith (I never liked Wilhoite or W. Washinton to begin with). But, one of the 1st rules in recruiting is to have the ability to pluck the top talent from your own state. I'm not sure many of the top players in TN even thought about UT as a serious option. That isn't CJP's fault. That is an entirely different discussion.
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First rule is recruit the kids that fit your system regardless of where you find them.

Its 2018, the age of social media. Every kid is in your backyard. Its not the 80s and 90s where you had to rely on phone calls and letters.

Lets all get with the program.
 
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Other schools aren't taking players away from us; they're taking players that we're not recruiting hard or have told would fit better elsewhere. UT is only pushing for a handful of 2019 in-states-- primarily Hampton and Norton and possibly Patterson and Knox, maybe Williams, depending on how the commitments fall. The 2020 class will be different.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Dolts? Very adult of you. Whether you want to believe it or not, stars matter. This has been proven time and time again. While there are exceptions to the rule, for the most part, the teams with the most 4 and 5* players are the big time winners. Now, yes those teams had some good 3* players sprinkled in there. But thats not what makes up the bulk of their classes.

If you dont think Pruitt and his staff are concerned about a recruits ranking then I really dont know what to tell you.
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We have experienced "recruitment by stars" over the last few years and see how that worked. Now if you recruit by need and stars, then it will work for you. Right now we are recruiting by need first then later maybe by need and stars. (like Bama and a few others who are stocked with talent at every position) For now, quality by need and availability is the goal.
 
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peaygolf said:
dolt...idiot...?

saying that to a guy who is voicing an opinion on a message board with other wanna be recruiters and coaches is very petty.

I hope CJP and staff are right in their evals on the in-state prospects. I will side with him until he proves himself wrong. 100% faith (I never liked Wilhoite or W. Washinton to begin with). But, one of the 1st rules in recruiting is to have the ability to pluck the top talent from your own state. I'm not sure many of the top players in TN even thought about UT as a serious option. That isn't CJP's fault. That is an entirely different discussion.
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You obviously haven't read a lot of grudenhaslanded's posts.

He has bashed Pruitt from the beginning without giving him a chance and never backs up his points of views with facts.

Like the last one saying Pruitt isn't recruiting well....

The 2018 class is ranked 19 in the nation and the current 2019 with only 12 commits is ranked 19 in the nation.

Yet he states Pruitt sucks, so yes he is an idiot and a dolt.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
You obviously haven't read a lot of grudenhaslanded's posts.

He has bashed Pruitt from the beginning without giving him a chance and never backs up his points of views with facts.

Like the last one saying Pruitt isn't recruiting well....

The 2018 class is ranked 19 in the nation and the current 2019 with only 12 commits is ranked 19 in the nation.

Yet he states Pruitt sucks, so yes he is an idiot and a dolt.
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:good!:
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I'm still waiting for apologies from the Jones supporters.
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I'm sorry. Wanna buy an autographed picture of Butch yelling at a referee?

* At least, for now, we might be rejected because we are an unknown quantity with some promise, rather than a crappy quantity with a guarantee.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
You obviously haven't read a lot of grudenhaslanded's posts.

He has bashed Pruitt from the beginning without giving him a chance and never backs up his points of views with facts.

Like the last one saying Pruitt isn't recruiting well....

The 2018 class is ranked 19 in the nation and the current 2019 with only 12 commits is ranked 19 in the nation.

Yet he states Pruitt sucks, so yes he is an idiot and a dolt.
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grudenhaslanded is 100% a troll.
 
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peaygolf said:
Agree, but 90% of this board goes ape sh!% when a 4-5* commits. And, if every single top 10 player in the state of Tennessee had committed to UT:

(Wilhoite,Hampton,Norton,Washington,Anderson,Patterson,Knox,Lampley,Sheffield, and Gray)

and UT was in the top 5 recruiting right now because of that, VN would be exploding in glee. NJMO.
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Do you spend as much time contriving percentages of FSU or Austin Peay fanbases? :question:
 
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Fact is no one knows yet. It may be a mistake or it may not be. We won't know for a while, let it play out.
 
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Grudenhaslanded said:
Top rated recruits are being plucked from underneath Pruitt's nose by top programs because Pruitt thinks they aren't good? Right. The Pruitt era isn't starting off well and you guys are in denial.
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Maybe who this troll really pulls for will be revelled during the year. This person will pull against UT in every game but it's who this person pulls for the hardest will make clear the true alliance.

*spell check changing words without my knowledge
 
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sjt18 said:
Stars matter on average but not when applied to specific players (I'm agreeing with you btw- just adding to the point)

What I mean by that is 50% or more of 4/5* players will be very good college players. A much smaller % of guys rated lower will turn out to be 4/5* performers.

Your odds are always better with the highly ranked players but stars aren't guarantees.


The caveat to UT recruiting at times has been something Pruitt hit on early after being hired. He said something to the effect that if they wanted to compete with Bama and UGA they had to start recruiting the same players. UT seems to have a history of getting an inordinate number of Chris Donald or Kenny O'Neal type 5* players.

Some of the guys they're missing on are going to be good players. But few of them are so uniquely talented that there aren't others (including some 3*) that can be coached up to play just as well.

IMO, the key is having a staff that proves it can coach players up. The best players want to play for the best coaches... not used car salesmen.
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Very good supporting argument.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
When Pruitt didn't close stong with the 2018 class, people said not to worry because 2019 was going to be chock full with instate talent and now that those kids are cold on the Vols the same "experts" are saying that all the top prospectsin TN are overrated. I'm going to laugh through the tears when Muschamp kicks our azzes with overrated TN kids.
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Muschamp is not a very good coach. Decent but that is all. Only Butch Jones could go 0-for against Muschamp and be his biatch even when his teams were losing to the Georgia Southern's of the world.
 
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peaygolf said:
Nope...this is more fun.:good!: And you know what I said is true.
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That fans are hypocrites? Your idea of fun is calling out the fanbase of your fourth favorite team for that? Ramp it up to 98%, allowing for the segment of VN that champions other teams. Now back to reinventing the wheel by making it rounder. :wavey:
 
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butchna said:
That fans are hypocrites? Your idea of fun is calling out the fanbase of your fourth favorite team for that? Ramp it up to 98%, allowing for the segment of VN that champions other teams. Now back to reinventing the wheel by making it rounder. :wavey:
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Sometimes you're a pretty cool guy, but other times it seems you just want to poke for no good reason. Did you read the other post I had about the similar subject on other threads...or just this one? I stick by what I said about the 90%. You and everyone else knows it's true as well. Nobody will admit it. I never said hypocrites. Liar might be a better word.

"We never wanted them" when they don't commit to UT.
"We love them" if they did commit.

And, I'm only talking about the top 10 from TN in the '19 class.
 
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peaygolf said:
Sometimes you're a pretty cool guy, but other times it seems you just want to poke for no good reason. Did you read the other post I had about the similar subject on other threads...or just this one? I stick by what I said about the 90%. You and everyone else knows it's true as well. Nobody will admit it. I never said hypocrites. Liar might be a better word.

"We never wanted them" when they don't commit to UT.
"We love them" if they did commit.

And, I'm only talking about the top 10 from TN in the '19 class.
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1. Don't want to misunderstand, did you just call 90% of VN liars?

2. We find out if we're recruiting them hard way before they commit anywhere. Recruiting them or not = wanting them or not. You seem to be one of very few that struggle with this concept.
 
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