Inflation Reduction Act

#79
#79
Carl Pickens said:
How so?
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He provided zero leadership and allowed Fauci/Birx to set the WH narrative. He simply couldn't pull himself away from the mic long enough to get a plan in place. His massive spending both before and during covid set the groundwork for what we're experiencing now.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yet still supported him for a second term in which he promised to spend more. Actions vs words
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That's a myopic view, at best. When the choices are a borrowing blowhard, and career corrupticrat, I'm not ascribing true-blue, high ground morality to the choice.
 
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McDad said:
That's a myopic view, at best. When the choices are a borrowing blowhard, and career corrupticrat, I'm not ascribing true-blue, high ground morality to the choice.
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Then don't claim he wouldn't have spent more money since that was an actual campaign promise. A vote was supportive of his spending plans.
 
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utvolpj said:
He provided zero leadership and allowed Fauci/Birx to set the WH narrative. He simply couldn't pull himself away from the mic long enough to get a plan in place. His massive spending both before and during covid set the groundwork for what we're experiencing now.
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The democrats wanted more lockdowns and more spending. What sort of ultimate **** sandwich would we be eating if Hillary won?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
The democrats wanted more lockdowns and more spending. What sort of ultimate **** sandwich would we be eating if Hillary won?
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I'm sorry I was discussing things that actually happened. Saying it would have been worse under Hillary doesn't negate the point that Trump **** the bed in a crisis.

I live in Florida so the "what if X won" game has kept me up at night. Doesn't mean I can't criticize Desantis for what I think he's doing wrong
 
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utvolpj said:
Then don't claim he wouldn't have spent more money since that was an actual campaign promise. A vote was supportive of his spending plans.
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So you believe the dems would have gone along with Trump's spending plans?
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm sorry I was discussing things that actually happened. Saying it would have been worse under Hillary doesn't negate the point that Trump **** the bed in a crisis.

I live in Florida so the "what if X won" game has kept me up at night. Doesn't mean I can't criticize Desantis for what I think he's doing wrong
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Lol you talking about Gillum? This state would be a disaster with him. Goodness.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes. It came up in our house many times over the past couple of years. Even our Dem friends have to admit it
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I was living in GA at the time, being exposed to the Brian Kemp commercials where he was gonna round up illegals in his truck. I didn't vote that year because we just moved. Couldn't believe how close that got.
 
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#92
utvols88 said:
Something does need to be done about the chips. That's a national security issue. I'd look to convince the companies in Taiwan to manufacture here and send the workers too. We are currently in Cold War II
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What real incentive would they have to do that? They realize that they are the main producer (so why not maintain their monopoly), and that we will be in a position of needing to "protect" them from China.

We were the dumb azzes that decided to export our manufacturing overseas. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be dumb azzes in return.
 
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utvolpj said:
He provided zero leadership and allowed Fauci/Birx to set the WH narrative. He simply couldn't pull himself away from the mic long enough to get a plan in place. His massive spending both before and during covid set the groundwork for what we're experiencing now.
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No one before late March/early April 2020 realized how much of a disaster Fauci was. But by March 20th or sometime around then, all of these governors had started the shutdowns and had businesses closing. Had Trump done anything (like fire Fauci around Easter of 2020 once it may have been clear that he had an agenda), then Fauci would have simply been a martyr and the mainstream media would have had him on total rotation anyways spouting off nonsense and guidance.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What real incentive would they have to do that? They realize that they are the main producer (so why not maintain their monopoly), and that we will be in a position of needing to "protect" them from China.

We were the dumb azzes that decided to export our manufacturing overseas. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be dumb azzes in return.
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They get to keep the umbrella without the bait of China controlling it all, if invaded. It eliminates a very attractive reason for China to invade as the production is spread out but still their company.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No one before late March/early April 2020 realized how much of a disaster Fauci was. But by March 20th or sometime around then, all of these governors had started the shutdowns and had businesses closing. Had Trump done anything (like fire Fauci around Easter of 2020 once it may have been clear that he had an agenda), then Fauci would have simply been a martyr and the mainstream media would have had him on total rotation anyways spouting off nonsense and guidance.
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He didn't have to fire Fauci. All he needed to do was use the taskforce set up for Pence to disseminate all the information. Just remove them from the briefings and own the narrative. Unfortunately that would mean less camera for POTUS and more for vp which would never happen
 
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utvolpj said:
Then don't claim he wouldn't have spent more money since that was an actual campaign promise. A vote was supportive of his spending plans.
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You're yelling into the void. Which is fine by me. But the broad brush you're using assumes you have a level of understanding about the hearts and minds of others. I don't see you ask for much insight, or perspective when you engage with another poster.
 
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McDad said:
You're yelling into the void. Which is fine by me. But the broad brush you're using assumes you have a level of understanding about the hearts and minds of others. I don't see you ask for much insight, or perspective when you engage with another poster.
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Broad brush? I've literally read the posts on this very board saying these things
 
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#99
utvolpj said:
Broad brush? I've literally read the posts on this very board saying these things
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I agree. We have posters who are vehemently partisan. There is no reason, objectivity, or adherence to principles beyond "muh tribe". But there are a larger number (I think) who dig in their heels on policy and candidates even though it isn't 100% in line with their own political ideology.

Borrowing and spending are my litmus tests. That litmus is what generated tremendous loathing for politicians and apathy in our political institutions since my first joining VN.
 
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utvols88 said:
They get to keep the umbrella without the bait of China controlling it all, if invaded. It eliminates a very attractive reason for China to invade as the production is spread out but still their company.
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Taiwan could be largest producers of cucumbers instead of chips. That wouldn't affect their motivation for seizing it.

And again, if they send a portion of their manufacturing and employees here, the risk would be that we in turn start producing the chips here and eventually become a major competitor to them... or eventually, not rely on them. Then at that point, would the US really have a need to protect Taiwan so fiercely at that point? I would think they would at least try to preserve that advantage and use it as leverage for the US to protect them.
 
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