Interesting game preview from a poster on the Bama board

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Remy said:
I'm thinking they've been game planning every team on our schedule since before the season started. Updating each week as the variables change. Finalizing their macro planning down to micro managing it by the entire staff on the actual game week per opponent.
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This guy's talkin crazy, man.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not being rude intentionally but have you listened or watched anyone break down Heupel's O and philosophy?

UT takes unusually large splits in addition to running fast. Those two things work together. D's have to show quickly whether they're stacking the box or giving help on receivers. Some teams like LSU apparently like to disguise their D pre-snap. UT's tempo prevents that to a great degree. D's barely have time to line up much less shift or line up in exotic ways. That's another thing UT's tempo inhibits in a team like Bama. Bama likes doing exotic things in their D front. You have to have time to call your play and get lined up properly to do that.

I hope Heupel doesn't give them time to breath.

If Bama decides to take away the run and commit more to the pass rush then UT will try to take advantage of single coverage, screens, slants, etc. Trips to one side with safety help over the top essentially guarantees that your guy to the boundary on the other side gets man to man if they go 6 in the box. UT also has some ability to dictate an opponent NOT put 7 in the box. Have you noticed them motioning the wing back out? With 7 in the box, someone has to either go with that TE or else you have two blockers on 2 DB's and a quick screen to a WR outside the numbers. IIRC, that's pretty much how UT toasted UK on that first screen pass TD last year.
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I agre totally. Part of CJH’s offense is designed to scheme receivers open with the wide splits, which taxes a defense’s ability to stack numbers in the box to stop the run. If he pulls 4 out to the boundary, can you imagine covering with just 4? So if you add 1 or 2 safeties over the top for help then you only have five or six in the box to stop the run. When you add tempo in to limit subs and time to figure out what we are doing , they open themselves up to getting gashed by the run. Especially whe Hooker is added as a running threat. If thy pull safeties in to help with the run, then you have 4 fabulous receivers that are all one on one. I think as long as we don’t turn the ball over, we are going to score in the 30’s to 40’s no matter who we play. They won’t be able to keep up with us.
 
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What makes the offense good is that its actually really simple RPO. They only run about a handful of plays that have a few variants. QB learns it then makes the adjustments during the game. Just run it quick and it is hard to defend.

Correct me if I am wrong UT hasn't gone all gimmicky yet this year have they?

Also, correct me if I am wrong. I played soccer.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not being rude intentionally but have you listened or watched anyone break down Heupel's O and philosophy?

UT takes unusually large splits in addition to running fast. Those two things work together. D's have to show quickly whether they're stacking the box or giving help on receivers. Some teams like LSU apparently like to disguise their D pre-snap. UT's tempo prevents that to a great degree. D's barely have time to line up much less shift or line up in exotic ways. That's another thing UT's tempo inhibits in a team like Bama. Bama likes doing exotic things in their D front. You have to have time to call your play and get lined up properly to do that.

I hope Heupel doesn't give them time to breath.

If Bama decides to take away the run and commit more to the pass rush then UT will try to take advantage of single coverage, screens, slants, etc. Trips to one side with safety help over the top essentially guarantees that your guy to the boundary on the other side gets man to man if they go 6 in the box. UT also has some ability to dictate an opponent NOT put 7 in the box. Have you noticed them motioning the wing back out? With 7 in the box, someone has to either go with that TE or else you have two blockers on 2 DB's and a quick screen to a WR outside the numbers. IIRC, that's pretty much how UT toasted UK on that first screen pass TD last year.
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I think/hope Heupel is smart enough to know that the same thing wont work the same way against an elite defense like Bama.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not being rude intentionally but have you listened or watched anyone break down Heupel's O and philosophy?

UT takes unusually large splits in addition to running fast. Those two things work together. D's have to show quickly whether they're stacking the box or giving help on receivers. Some teams like LSU apparently like to disguise their D pre-snap. UT's tempo prevents that to a great degree. D's barely have time to line up much less shift or line up in exotic ways. That's another thing UT's tempo inhibits in a team like Bama. Bama likes doing exotic things in their D front. You have to have time to call your play and get lined up properly to do that.

I hope Heupel doesn't give them time to breath.

If Bama decides to take away the run and commit more to the pass rush then UT will try to take advantage of single coverage, screens, slants, etc. Trips to one side with safety help over the top essentially guarantees that your guy to the boundary on the other side gets man to man if they go 6 in the box. UT also has some ability to dictate an opponent NOT put 7 in the box. Have you noticed them motioning the wing back out? With 7 in the box, someone has to either go with that TE or else you have two blockers on 2 DB's and a quick screen to a WR outside the numbers. IIRC, that's pretty much how UT toasted UK on that first screen pass TD last year.
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You my friend have it down to a tee.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
There's a zero percent chance he's 100%
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Yep , if you don’t play in one & half it will show whether your healthy 100% or not. Now he may get in a rhythm and have a great game but he may make a few 1st quarter mistakes that could define the game. Announcers will chime in he just don’t look the same I think the shoulder is either bothering him or in his head. Watch and see he’s in a no lose situation as far as his legacy if Vols shut him down or at least put him under his norm he will be protected by the media, maybe warranted.
 
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Wow. Really went a long way to tell us "stop a balanced teams run game and they struggle to score." You know, one of the simplest rules of the game. Wonder how.many games Bama loses when they can't run vs when they have their way?
 
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He's not factoring how stretched their D is ginna be. Lots of man coverage. Hooker is always poised and can hurt you in so many ways so I like those odds If they want to blitz all day
 
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I think we are on a roll at the moment. This is a Circle the date game on the Season Calendar and we have been building momentum since the first game. It is kind of like throw all the stats out the window and play ball.

Coaching is going to make a difference in this game. Coach Heupel is as we are seeing a great offensive mind comparable to Spurrier who had success against Saban defenses.

I don't see this as a walk in the park but it could be if everything clicks. I still see Tennessee scores in the mid 30's+ in this game of which I think Alabama will not match if Young is not at 100%. Alabama really respects no one and their fan base is bad.

They have been humble this year but I really think our offensive game plan is going to smack them in the face no matter what defense they the run, the Cheetah, the Cougar, the Pima or the Coyote.

Coach Heupel will put us in a position to succeed because that is what he does. Why did Alabama release their defensive game plan before the game? Because they are playing head games.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Re: So, if Alabama's rush defense is truly an elite unit, and I truly believe it is, this Tennessee offense has a ceiling of 27 points at most.


Calling VFL-82-JP --

can you give us a comparative breakdown of bama VS their games Texas (W, 20-19) and A&M (W, 24-20) ?
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Haha, Rex! Thanks for the vote of confidence, brother, but I'm just a dude like you. I know we have some high school coaches among us, and a couple of guys who do really amazing analysis. But I'm just a dude.

But I do think anyone who believes Tennessee's 2022 offense has a ceiling, any ceiling, against any team (yes, including UGa and Bama), they haven't been paying attention.

Last year's edition of this offense scored 17 points on what may have been the most talented defense in recent college football history, the defense that sent 9 of their starters to the NFL in a single draft. And we were a sneeze and two incompletions away from scoring 30+ on that defense.

This year's offense is even better. Significantly better.

And neither Bama's nor UGa's defense are as good as UGa's was last year.

I mean, I think I understand what you mean about the Texas and A&M games. Bama giving up 19 and 20 points to teams far less offensively prolific than ours ... that sure doesn't argue well that they're going to hold us to "a ceiling of 27."

But really, all anyone has to do to know "ceiling" is illusory is watch the Vols play a game. There's no ceiling for these lads.

Go Vols!
 
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OHvol40 said:
Brilliant. If you can make an offense one dimensional it’s easier to defend.

My favorite part is how they didn’t mention the numbers behind the rushing offenses Bama has faced.

If this person wants to place a wager that UT will score 27 or less in this game, I would take that wager… doubt they would though. Just trying to convince themselves that they aren’t about to step into Knoxville and lose.
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If we hold Bama to under 30 points I think there’s a 90% chance we win. The guy makes pretty obvious points but good ones. For us to run successfully about half of it will likely have to come from Hooker.
 
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sjt18 said:
Well... that might still be pretty biased. UT wasn't limited to 27 points by Pitt because UT couldn't run. They were limited because UT kept making mistakes that kept the O off the field. That could happen again of course but when your TOP split is 25 minutes to 35 minutes and you still produce over 400 yds of O... They didn't stop your O.

That last portion is pretty deceptive. The "play action" UT uses much of the time is pretty token. It takes a split second to do and is designed only to make DB's and LB's hesitate.

Of course the analysis is also one sided. Bama indeed has a highly rated run D. But consider the competition like he did for UT:

Utah St is the #60 rushing O in the country which is skewed high by their other competition. Bama held them to 79 yds... the following week FCS Weber St would hold them to 129 and then UNLV would old them to 96. They have improved some but are still a terrible 2-4 football team.​
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Texas is better. Bama held the nation's #47 rushing O to 79 also. Of course their number is also skewed by a 298 performance vs UTSA. ULM held them to 134. WVU held them to 110. And Texas more or less sold out to throwing the ball. They found something they liked and threw for 292 yds vs Bama's D. That alone isn't a good sign for Bama vs UT.​
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Next they held ULM to 78 yds. They currently average 143 ypg against all opponents for 82nd in FBS. They're 2-4 with one game over 200 yds rushing vs ULL.​
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Vandy... besides being Vandy is 56th in the country in rushing at 167.5 per game.... but that's pretty heavily skewed by their opener vs Hawaii where they had 404 yds vs the country's worst team. After Hawaii, their best rushing performance was 179 vs FCS Elon.... who they only beat 42-31.​
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Arkansas is a good rushing team. But then again... they had a pretty good day vs Bama with 187 yds and a 3.67 unadjusted ypc. Bama held them to 60 yds and 1 ypc under their season average.​
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They held TAM to 70 yds which sounds pretty amazing except that TAM inexplicably has the nation's 100th rushing O. Not that explaining a team as bad as they are with that much talent is easy... but Achane... and 120 ypg total? So Bama held them to 50 yds under their season average... and should have lost to them. Haynes King... yep him... completed 25 passes for over 250 yds against Bama WITHOUT A RUN GAME TO SPEAK OF.​


So while our good friend from Bama put a lot of work into looking at one half of the equation... he ignored the other half completely. Bama has a GREAT and talented D. But just like UT's O has to be viewed within the context of who they played... so does Bama's D. Bama is indeed in another class compared to the D's UT has played. However I would say that's even more the case of UT's O vs their D.

Here is how Bama's previous opponents rank nationally in total O:

Utah St- 95
Texas- 36
ULM- 112
Vandy- 84
Arkansas-24
TAM- 109

Arkansas at 24 averages 462 ypg. UT avgs 548 and is 1st in the nation.

So there is the other half of that analysis.

PS- Bama has had two close calls. In neither game did the opponent run the ball well. Both however passed for over 250 vs Bama's avg of 166 allowed... and both of those teams had issues at QB. Texas had to go to a back up. TAM had to play King.
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I also think he’s relying too much on last year, our first year in this system. Our offense is considerably better this year and is more versatile. We have power packages that didn’t even get used once last year. Yes we only had 27 at Pitt but we also turned it over a good bit in the second half and we still found a way to win. Bama barely hit 20 at Texas so teams sometimes have off games.
 
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Daniel_Lincolns_Foot said:
I mean, I can't be positive, but I'd like to think that Heupel and the offensive staff have taken into account that they'll be facing a stellar defensive unit--the best we've faced all season--and are trying to figure out a way to adapt the game plan accordingly.
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And hold onto the damn football!!
 
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LouderVol said:
And Arkansas's game is where KJ Jefferson didnt finish. Making Arkansas one dimensional, and removing their second leading rusher, so Arkansas was easier to defend.

The texas game was similar. Hurt the starting qb. Making them one dimensional to the run, and you can control the run with no pass threat.

Seems like the main thing is we need to keep Hooker health. Which doesnt take a Bama PHD to figure out.
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Seems to be a Bama goal......otherwise they lose the TX game.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
If we hold Bama to under 30 points I think there’s a 90% chance we win. The guy makes pretty obvious points but good ones. For us to run successfully about half of it will likely have to come from Hooker.
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I don’t think the bolded is necessarily true. It might be, but I don’t think that’s a given. This offense spreads out defenses so wide that it takes 3-6 players out of the run game every play. All that is required is for one OL win, or one DL/LB missed assignment for an easy 10 yards. Then, if you start taking safeties down into the box, you’re DBs on an island. It really forces defenses to declare what they’re doing pre-snap, and then forces them to win most of their 1v1 matchups.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Brilliant. If you can make an offense one dimensional it’s easier to defend.

My favorite part is how they didn’t mention the numbers behind the rushing offenses Bama has faced.

If this person wants to place a wager that UT will score 27 or less in this game, I would take that wager… doubt they would though. Just trying to convince themselves that they aren’t about to step into Knoxville and lose.
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I looked up a few of the teams they've played. The only one with a good rushing attack is Arkansas. They had 187 rushing yards and they average 222. I would say that they had less because they had to start passing more to play catch up though.

They will be the best defense we've faced, but we'll be the best offense they've faced.
 
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white65 said:
I looked up a few of the teams they've played. The only one with a good rushing attack is Arkansas. They had 187 rushing yards and they average 222. I would say that they had less because they had to start passing more to play catch up though.

They will be the best defense we've faced, but we'll be the best offense they've faced.
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Exactly
 
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In the Pitt game we stopped ourselves more than they stopped us. We’ve improved, wouldn’t even be a close this point in the year. Not saying bama can’t stop us but that game isn’t a good example.
 
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