Interesting Timeline from Tony Jones

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Jones said he was appalled by Pearl receiving three years for providing false and misleading information to NCAA investigators about a picture of Pearl and then-recruit Aaron Craft taken at Pearl's home during an impermissible contact on Sept. 20, 2008.

"I'm surprised it was three years, because he came back and set the record straight with the committee, and how many other coaches have done that?'' said Jones, who has been hired as Alcoa boys' basketball coach. "You look at the landscape of college athletics, and you see what went on with the football programs at USC, Ohio State, Oregon, North Carolina and now Miami, and it's unfortunate having a kid over to your house for a hamburger gets you three years away from your passion.''

Jones said Pearl intended to set the record straight immediately after the June 14, 2010 NCAA interview, but he couldn't reach former athletic director Mike Hamilton.

"We came back to the office after the interview, and Coach said 'guys, you know what? I think that picture was at my house. I need to call the NCAA back and set the record straight,' '' Jones said. "He called Mike Hamilton, but Hamilton was out of the country on vacation.''

Hamilton didn't return until July, at which point UT contacted the NCAA and requested another interview that was granted on Aug. 4, 2010.
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and it's unfortunate having a kid over to your house for a hamburger gets you three years away from your passion.''
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is it really that simple Tony?

also much of this seems to contradict what Pearl said about the photo
 
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utvolpj said:
is it really that simple Tony?

also much of this seems to contradict what Pearl said about the photo
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No, it's not that simple but compared to USC, Ohio St, Miami and North Carolina, it is small potatoes. The NCAA obviously thinks highly of themselves. You don't lie to them. That's basically what they told Pearl and anyone else that have dared to undermine them.

USC got their punishment, we'll see what the others get.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, it's not that simple but compared to USC, Ohio St, Miami and North Carolina, it is small potatoes. The NCAA obviously thinks highly of themselves. You don't lie to them. That's basically what they told Pearl and anyone else that have dared to undermine them.

USC got their punishment, we'll see what the others get.
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This is what is funny to me. I completly understand that they don't want to be lied to and punish those who do severely. But isn't anyone who cheats essentially lying? I mean, if the NCAA had called up Miami a couple of years ago and said "Hey any major violations going on we should know about?", does anyone think they would have said "Well theres this guy named Nevin you should probably talk to."
 
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Evol said:
This is what is funny to me. I completly understand that they don't want to be lied to and punish those who do severely. But isn't anyone who cheats essentially lying? I mean, if the NCAA had called up Miami a couple of years ago and said "Hey any major violations going on we should know about?", does anyone think they would have said "Well theres this guy named Nevin you should probably talk to."
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That is where they claim ignorance of the situation even if they knew about it. They act like they know nothing. Of course, anyone that has a shred of accountability knows something is going on.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, it's not that simple but compared to USC, Ohio St, Miami and North Carolina, it is small potatoes. The NCAA obviously thinks highly of themselves. You don't lie to them. That's basically what they told Pearl and anyone else that have dared to undermine them.
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Please. Pearl got what he deserved. Regardless of what the underlying reason for the lie is irrelevant. He lied and tried to create a conspiracy of lies to get himself out of trouble. He deserves a 3 year show cause.
 
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Evol said:
This is what is funny to me. I completly understand that they don't want to be lied to and punish those who do severely. But isn't anyone who cheats essentially lying?
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If you can't see the difference in what Pearl did and just simply breaking an NCAA rule, then I don't know what to say to you.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Please. Pearl got what he deserved. Regardless of what the underlying reason for the lie is irrelevant. He lied and tried to create a conspiracy of lies to get himself out of trouble. He deserves a 3 year show cause.
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The punishment he "deserved" is debatable. When you have a totalitarian regime that is judge, jury and executioner then "deserve" really doesn't come into play.

Of course, they said UT created a major violation with the bump and they were wrong. I thought they were never wrong. Funny how that turned out.
 
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LawVol13 said:
If you can't see the difference in what Pearl did and just simply breaking an NCAA rule, then I don't know what to say to you.
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I can see a difference. But in the end he lied about what should have been a secondary violation and I think a 3 year show cause is excessive.

My point is that everyone who cheats is essentially lying. If they can prove any of the Miami coaches knew about what was going on down there then they should get about a 30 year show cause.
 
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LawVol13 said:
If you can't see the difference in what Pearl did and just simply breaking an NCAA rule, then I don't know what to say to you.
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If you intentially break a rule how much different is it to deny you broke it? Your intent is the same.
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utvolpj said:
is it really that simple Tony?

also much of this seems to contradict what Pearl said about the photo
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No, it doesn't.

What's contradictory is Papa Craft telling the NCAA 4-5 times Pearl did not try to get him to change his story, yet every time it's mentioned here on VN Bruce Pearl was strong-arming him,etc.

Oh, and UT knew about the photo 6 days before the meeting and never told Pearl.

Not mentioning the phantom bump violation.

IMO Tony has a point.
 
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Muschump said:
No, it doesn't.

What's contradictory is Papa Craft telling the NCAA 4-5 times Pearl did not try to get him to change his story, yet every time it's mentioned here on VN Bruce Pearl was strong-arming him,etc.

Oh, and UT knew about the photo 6 days before the meeting and never told Pearl.

Not mentioning the phantom bump violation.

IMO Tony has a point.
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Lies to NCAA dunked Tennessee basketball staff GoVolsXtra

and do you really have to be told that the photo of you and a recruit was taken in your own home?
 
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LawVol13 said:
Pearl managed to do both. Great argument on his behalf.
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Besides who said I was arguing on his behalf. I admit Pearl broke the rules and shouldnt have lied either. Just agreeing with Evols argument which you dismissed as ridiculous.
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jp1 said:
Great way to avoid the question. Kudos!
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Yes, an intentional breaking of the rules is less than an intentional breaking of the rules followed by a lie followed by an attempted creation of a conspiracy to lie. Intentionally breaking the rules may convey some level of dishonesty but not anywhere close to the level that Pearl achieved through his actions.
 
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utvolpj said:
and do you really have to be told that the photo of you and a recruit was taken in your own home?
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When you've been preparing for a meeting with the schools lawyers for over a year, yea I'd expect it to at least be mentioned. Just me though.
 
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Muschump said:
No, it doesn't.

What's contradictory is Papa Craft telling the NCAA 4-5 times Pearl did not try to get him to change his story, yet every time it's mentioned here on VN Bruce Pearl was strong-arming him,etc.

Oh, and UT knew about the photo 6 days before the meeting and never told Pearl.

Not mentioning the phantom bump violation.

IMO Tony has a point.
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Looks once again like a very poor job by UT's attorneys imo regardless of Anti or Pro Pearl's position and camp. I am going to have to agree with you on this one although I wonder if our penalties are less severe since they threw the book at Pearl. If Jones is right ( not saying he is ) and Pearl immediately wanted to correct things- where were UT's attorneys. One of the lessons here is if the NCAA is investigating-- spend a few dollars and hire someone competent to represent you because left to the talent and skills of UT's in house flunkies you are not well represented imo.

Picture should have been discussed and delivered in depth ahead of time, attorneys should have been present in the meetings, attorneys should have discussed immediately afterward while NCAA was still around ( anything fuzzy or unclear or left you with an uncomfortable feeling - anything that might show up later to haunt us, etc. ) Not saying all this didn't take place, but I have already heard that the picture was withheld which is absurd imo.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
One of the lessons here is if the NCAA is investigating-- spend a few dollars and hire someone competent to represent you because left to the talent and skills of UT's in house flunkies you are not well represented imo.
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+1

Bruce said it today. He should've hired his own attorney.
 
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Yet Calipari laughs at violations while raking in millions. There's no justice in the world of sports.
 
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It's a dead issue now, he and Tony both have to own it, be quiet and move on. Pearl to the NBA eventually and Tony ended up where?
 
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OrangeBalls said:
The punishment he "deserved" is debatable. When you have a totalitarian regime that is judge, jury and executioner then "deserve" really doesn't come into play.

Of course, they said UT created a major violation with the bump and they were wrong. I thought they were never wrong. Funny how that turned out.
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Well, they weren't terribly wrong. The alleged bump resulted in Pearl's dismissal and saved serious sanctions against the program. I'd say the NCAA did us a favor by making a big deal about the bump.
 
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