Intruder shot, killed after kicking in door, charging occupant with a knife

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McDad said:
You've penetrated. Have you had the impact you ultimately want?
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Of course not. Some people still like Trump, some still deal in absolutes, and some still think there should be no restrictions and regulations on guns.
 
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hog88 said:
Please, go ahead.
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It doesn't disprove your post and at the same time is counter to el's post because gun ownership rates are climbing rapidly and homicides are dropping since the 1990s (with some temporary increases which are still under where we were 30 years ago).
 
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LouderVol said:
Regarding your ratio argument:

you are limiting potential defensive gun use to those that end in death or at least a shooting. I would think most people would qualify a succesful defensive gun use regardless of a shot being fired or killing the aggressor if the potential victim avoids harm or additional harm.
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The vast majority of DGU's do not involve a shooting. Rationally why would they? Bad guy(s) starts a move on somebody, said somebody pulls gun, original aggressor(s) thinks of somewhere he/they would rather be. The End.

As a civilian there's no need to press pursuit as in the case of an LEO where actual apprehension is in play so the mere display of obviously effective self-defense capacity can, and far more often than not is, sufficient. Consider how often someone is shot by police during an encounter and figure how many of those shootings would occur if the only thing the bad guy had to do was run away to completely end that encounter.
 
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luthervol said:
Getting a message across to the 2a crowd? That's like searching for the Holy Grail.
But I think my messaging has been as impactful as anyone else's. Maybe more so.
x rounds per y seconds seems to have had some staying power.
Rational and reasonable.........continuums..........horrendously despicable
I think I've penetrated the sub-conscious.
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LOL
 
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luthervol said:
Of course not. Some people still like Trump, some still deal in absolutes, and some still think there should be no restrictions and regulations on guns.
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What about those who are reasoned, reasonable, and consider other's views before reaching a conclusion? Are you impacting them the way you want?
 
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McDad said:
You can bait the hook all you want. I am not engaging your ill-formed opinions on rights. I sincerely don't care about your opinion, how you formed it, or the application of it in society.
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So if you believe my view on rights is "ill-formed," tell me where I have been led astray.
 
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evillawyer said:
Do you believe the right to self-defense is more fundamental than the right to go on living?
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They are sometimes the same thing. I would say in the current discussion, the idiot that kicked in the door didn't care to go on living.
 
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luthervol said:
Got it.
People always have the right to defend themselves. That doesn't mean they have the right to carry any weapon, any time under the guise of self-defense.
I think part of the process of purchasing a gun and/or getting a permit to carry should be providing an ID.
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That pesky second amendment gets in your way though. How about showing an ID to vote?
 
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McDad said:
It doesn't disprove your post and at the same time is counter to el's post because gun ownership rates are climbing rapidly and homicides are dropping since the 1990s (with some temporary increases which are still under where we were 30 years ago).
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Less households owned a gun in the early 2000s than they do today and yet gun homicides are lower.
 
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hndog609 said:
The vast majority of DGU's do not involve a shooting. Rationally why would they? Bad guy(s) starts a move on somebody, said somebody pulls gun, original aggressor(s) thinks of somewhere he/they would rather be. The End.

As a civilian there's no need to press pursuit as in the case of an LEO where actual apprehension is in play so the mere display of obviously effective self-defense capacity can, and far more often than not is, sufficient. Consider how often someone is shot by police during an encounter and figure how many of those shootings would occur if the only thing the bad guy had to do was run away to completely end that encounter.
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Are there any studies on defensive gun use? A quick Google just brings up anti gun articles.
 
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LouderVol said:
Are there any studies on defensive gun use? A quick Google just brings up anti gun articles.
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there are. I can't remember precisely but one I am familiar with was an FBI (or some federal agency) resource. The numbers aren't exact but more estimated from a known baseline due to events unreported.
 
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McDad said:
You can ascribe the answer you choose to his ignoring. Lawyers fully support that approach.
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Just bump my post if he comes at you again. I am interested to see his reply. Especially when it comes to this country.
 
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