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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are exactly correct. The US only knows how to provoke war, but has no diplomatic skills to promote peace. Again, if all we have is a hammer (military), every problem is treated as it is a nail.

"What's the point of having this superb military you're always talking about if we can't use it?"
Madeleine Albright
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except that since we took over the world has experienced the least amount of wars and deaths due to wars has ever known.

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"Fewer people died in conflicts in recent decades than in most of the 20th century.

The chart shows that several million people died in conflicts in the years after World War II.."
 
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EasternVol said:
Amazing that those two NeoCon corporate tools would be pushing a major war.
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Too bad these Neocons cant go to sleep every night in a foreign Country, frightened a drone may crash down on them. No, the people that do the dying are never the people who advocate these conflicts.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I question the competence of our military leadership. We should have either evacuated troops from these vulnerable bases a long time ago (once they started lobbing missiles and drones at us) or retaliated in a meaningful way against them. It was only a matter of time before one of these drones made it through air defenses. It’s unacceptable that American blood had to be shed before they decided to do something about it.
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We're within the borders of a friendly state in Jordan. The positioning of that base and others isn't random and as uncomfortable as it is to reconcile, being a war fighter comes with inherent risk.

It's maddening to listen to civilian politicians constantly Monday morning quarterback every military operation and then use any deaths as political capital. Watching the trumpers bitch about Biden getting the US involved in conflict out of one side of their mouth while crying about him being weak out of the other. Your questioning of the military leadership is likely a direct result of you hearing partisan d*ickheads go on Fox and trash the government and undermine the military on the daily, for years.

Our military is the finest fighting force on the planet, the best equipped, trained and the best led, make no mistake.
 
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Septic said:
We're within the borders of a friendly state in Jordan. The positioning of that base and others isn't random and as uncomfortable as it is to reconcile, being a war fighter comes with inherent risk.

It's maddening to listen to civilian politicians constantly Monday morning quarterback every military operation and then use any deaths as political capital. Watching the trumpers bitch about Biden getting the US involved in conflict out of one side of their mouth while crying about him being weak out of the other. Your questioning of the military leadership is likely a direct result of you hearing partisan d*ickheads go on Fox and trash the government and undermine the military on the daily, for years.

Our military is the finest fighting force on the planet, the best equipped, trained and the best led, make no mistake.
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Being the "best led" isn't saying much.
 
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Iran sure has a funny way of showing it. You know, chanting “Death to America” and funding terror groups to attack troops.

And Ras, we know we shouldn’t still be over there before you comment.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What happened to our air defense systems???
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Apparently the drone arrived at the base at the same time as an American drone was returning. There was some confusion about it and it was allowed in.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What happened to our air defense systems???
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Say what???

Pentagon Offers Unusual Reason Why Anti-Air Defenses Failed At Jordan Border Base

The U.S. failed to stop a deadly attack on an American military outpost in Jordan because the enemy drone approached its target at the same time a U.S. drone was also returning to base, U.S. officials said Monday.

The return of the U.S. drone led to some confusion over whether the incoming drone was friend or foe, officials have concluded so far.

The enemy drone was launched from Iraq by a militia backed by Tehran, U.S. officials said. The outpost, Tower 22, sits in Jordan, hard on the borders of Iraq and Syria.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I question the competence of our military leadership.
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What amazes me is that you have people that think just like you do, but yet still feel compelled to support these military escapades when the opportunity presents itself. Putting American lives at risk knowing full well that we have incompetent and/or corrupt leadership. No one even bothers to question their narrative or question the reasoning behind these shuffles because it's just some brown, black, yellow or Slavic folks halfway around the globe.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What amazes me is that you have people that think just like you do, but yet still feel compelled to support these military escapades when the opportunity presents itself. Putting American lives at risk knowing full well that we have incompetent and/or corrupt leadership. No one even bothers to question their narrative or question the reasoning behind these shuffles because it's just some brown, black, yellow or Slavic folks halfway around the globe.
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Yep…Americans have been conditioned to not question. The time to question is now…not after the fact that thousands of young men and women have sacrificed their lives.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So the 80+ year streak of Congress NOT declaring war continues...

You people seem to support lawbreaking...
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At least the lack of uniformity on opinion on this is bipartisan. Got some Dems and some Reps calling for strong reaction, others more muted.

I cant day I agree with Graham that we ought to bomb Tehran, that seems risky, but at least he's taking a position.
 
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