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Pacer92 said:
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errmm....you and the tweeter realize that Israel and Jordan are NOT the same country right? Thats why they have two different names. Jordan hasn't been very kind to Israel in the past and even now isn't working with Israel on the Gaza issue, or anything of note that I can find.

I get not wanting us over there at all. but trying to link US troops in Jordan to Israel is laughable and just shows you guys don't care about the facts, you just want to paint things as bad for America as possible.
 
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LouderVol said:
errmm....you and the tweeter realize that Israel and Jordan are NOT the same country right? Thats why they have two different names. Jordan hasn't been very kind to Israel in the past and even now isn't working with Israel on the Gaza issue, or anything of note that I can find.

I get not wanting us over there at all. but trying to link US troops in Jordan to Israel is laughable and just shows you guys don't care about the facts, you just want to paint things as bad for America as possible.
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Like I said before, there are multiple links where the Jordanian government has denied that the attack took place on their soil…rather at Al Tanf in Syria. However, our controlled media runs with the Tower 22 fabrication…if not, it would highlight the fact that US soldiers are dying in an illegally occupied country. Just our mere presence in Syria is a war crime..

All of our troops in the ME are there to protect Israel and their assets…not for the welfare of this country. Believe that..
 
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Pacer92 said:
Like I said before, there are multiple links where the Jordanian government has denied that the attack took place on their soil…rather at Al Tanf in Syria. However, our controlled media runs with the Tower 22 fabrication…if not, it would highlight the fact that US soldiers are dying in an illegally occupied country. Just our mere presence in Syria is a war crime..

All of our troops in the ME are there to protect Israel and their assets…not for the welfare of this country. Believe that..
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Jordan has admitted it happened on their soil.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...errorist-attack-post-syria-border-2024-01-28/
 
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Pacer92 said:
Like I said before, there are multiple links where the Jordanian government has denied that the attack took place on their soil…rather at Al Tanf in Syria. However, our controlled media runs with the Tower 22 fabrication…if not, it would highlight the fact that US soldiers are dying in an illegally occupied country. Just our mere presence in Syria is a war crime..

All of our troops in the ME are there to protect Israel and their assets…not for the welfare of this country. Believe that..
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ok, that is not at ALL what the tweet was saying. yall really need to get your ducks in a row when trying to make a point.

we have far more interests in the middle east than just Israel. unless you want to claim every military base the world over is to protect Israel, its a far simpler explanation to assume we are there as part of that military colonialism than any great cause serving Israel.
 
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Pacer92 said:
After initially denying it…I’m sure there was no persuasion..

www.deccanherald.com

Jordan says attack targeting American soldiers was not on its soil

www.deccanherald.com

Jordan denies attack on U.S. forces within territory

Jordan denies attack on U.S. forces within territory-
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or it could be the one Jordanian official spoke out of turn before the facts were fully established, and or trying to avoid a panic/outrage. our government does that all the time, push an original story that paints a pretty picture, then come back and quietly corrects it to be the ugly truth, and no one cares then.
 
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LouderVol said:
or it could be the one Jordanian official spoke out of turn before the facts were fully established, and or trying to avoid a panic/outrage. our government does that all the time, push an original story that paints a pretty picture, then come back and quietly corrects it to be the ugly truth, and no one cares then.
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Or it could be the truth…and our government forces a spoken about face.

This has probably never happened though..
 
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Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things if it was in Jordan or Syria or Iraq? Why are we in any of these places, invited or otherwise? How are these troops being over there in our national interests? Of what benefit is it of Main St USA to have these troops sitting there as trip wires?
 
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At some point, the neocons and their fan boys are going to have to realize that there are limits to US military power. We can't bully these s#!those countries like we used to. We will now need to humble ourselves and join the world community and engage in fair commerce and diplomacy. This International Rules Based Order nonsense won't fly anymore.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Damn, do you think I just pull s**t out of my azz?

Jimmy Carter's engagement with Ruhollah Khomeini - Wikipedia

In his memoirs, Answer to History the Shah claimed that the little-known, Khomeini was able to ignite the 1963 demonstrations in Iran with help from foreign agents and that US President Kennedy initially wanted him out of power before later changing his opinion of the Shah. The Shah also claimed that President Jimmy Carter who was another liberal president who reminded him of Kennedy who wanted to interfere in Iran's affairs. In a year prior to the Revolution, Big Oil contracts with Iran were expiring, however, the companies never sought to renew the contracts with the Shah which according to him was a blackmail threat. Ultimately the Shah, claimed that the Americans and British colluded against him due to his 1973 nationalization and oil price hike. The BBC report also showed a 1980 CIA analysis, which portrays Khomeini's attempts to contact the US as far back as 1963, during John F. Kennedy's administration.
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Sadly, so many still don’t see the connection between the CIA and the deep state NGOs. They think the CIA still has the American people’s interest at heart.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Or it could be the truth…and our government forces a spoken about face.

This has probably never happened though..
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sure, but do you think its 100% of the time like you and Ras push? Or is it POSSIBLE that right after a violent and deadly act that not all of the facts are immediately known by every single person with a microphone?

you guys always leap over the first three or four intervening steps, and always go to straight blaming the US. Heck Ras was blaming the US for Iran and Pakistan blowing each other up before he eventually landed on it was a coordinated attack with no bad blood.
 
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LouderVol said:
sure, but do you think its 100% of the time like you and Ras push? Or is it POSSIBLE that right after a violent and deadly act that not all of the facts are immediately known by every single person with a microphone?

you guys always leap over the first three or four intervening steps, and always go to straight blaming the US. Heck Ras was blaming the US for Iran and Pakistan blowing each other up before he eventually landed on it was a coordinated attack with no bad blood.
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Possible…yes. Plausible…doubtful imo.

What 3 or 4 intervening steps are you referring to? Even if the attack did happen at tower 22 and not at Al Tanf, just 12 miles away…chances are it would’ve never happened if we weren’t illegally occupying Syria…so, yes, the blame lies with the US.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Possible…yes. Plausible…doubtful imo.

What 3 or 4 intervening steps are you referring to? Even if the attack did happen at tower 22 and not at Al Tanf, just 12 miles away…chances are it would’ve never happened if we weren’t illegally occupying Syria…so, yes, the blame lies with the US.
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I thought these attacks were about Israel, now its Syria? you really can't keep your own stuff straight.

first is what I laid out. dude was just wrong because of bad info based on hectic first reports.
second would be dude was wrong because there were similar attacks at both locations, and the involvement of americans at both attacks may have been flipped, merged, or again flat out wrong.
third would be dude was just making something up to try and create a reaction or for some other cause.
fourth would be some combinations of the above.

the flip would also apply.
we denied the tower 22 because of bad info based on hectic first reports
we denied....
we denied....
we denied....

but no, instead of considering, or even ALLOWING for the possibility of ANY of those options, nope America was straight lying to cover up some new invasion of Syria.

and how does US troops simply existing over there, mean that the locals can freely attack us? especially considering it was in a third nation.
 
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LouderVol said:
I thought these attacks were about Israel, now its Syria? you really can't keep your own stuff straight.

first is what I laid out. dude was just wrong because of bad info based on hectic first reports.
second would be dude was wrong because there were similar attacks at both locations, and the involvement of americans at both attacks may have been flipped, merged, or again flat out wrong.
third would be dude was just making something up to try and create a reaction or for some other cause.
fourth would be some combinations of the above.

the flip would also apply.
we denied the tower 22 because of bad info based on hectic first reports
we denied....
we denied....
we denied....

but no, instead of considering, or even ALLOWING for the possibility of ANY of those options, nope America was straight lying to cover up some new invasion of Syria.

and how does US troops simply existing over there, mean that the locals can freely attack us? especially considering it was in a third nation.
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Lol. Never seen someone try to be right so much, but usually isn’t. That’s why you can’t keep my stuff straight.

It’s a Russia-Iran vs Israel-US proxy war and without our involvement this would’ve been over years ago. By the same token…Syria was on the verge of defeat until Russia stepped in. However, Russia was asked to come in…we were not, which in itself, is a war crime. Israel to this day is bombing targets inside Syria. The only reason we are there is to protect Israeli assets.

So, you’re proposing that you’re scenarios are the only possible ones? That the US is incapable of fabricating a story not to expose its war crime in Syria? I admitted they were possible…not plausible imo. Let’s see if you can do the same…instead of twisting and turning posts into pretzel. Can you?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Lol. Never seen someone try to be right so much, but usually isn’t. That’s why you can’t keep my stuff straight.

It’s a Russia-Iran vs Israel-US proxy war and without our involvement this would’ve been over years ago. By the same token…Syria was on the verge of defeat until Russia stepped in. However, Russia was asked to come in…we were not, which in itself, is a war crime. Israel to this day is bombing targets inside Syria. The only reason we are there is to protect Israeli assets.

So, you’re proposing that you’re scenarios are the only possible ones? That the US is incapable of fabricating a story not to expose its war crime in Syria? I admitted they were possible…not plausible imo. Let’s see if you can do the same…instead of twisting and turning posts into pretzel. Can you?
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You are wasting your time. I can see that it is @LouderVol, but that guy is in right field with Chief Nockahoma and the teepee when it comes to anything.


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I’m starting to question now why we have troops in Syria. Reason I’ve switched because everytime John Kirby brings it up he always says they are fighting ISIS. Do you guys every hear of any engagements? So I think the American people are being lied to. If troops are there for the protection of Israel or just to have boots on the ground to hear things then just say it.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Lol. Never seen someone try to be right so much, but usually isn’t. That’s why you can’t keep my stuff straight.

It’s a Russia-Iran vs Israel-US proxy war and without our involvement this would’ve been over years ago. By the same token…Syria was on the verge of defeat until Russia stepped in. However, Russia was asked to come in…we were not, which in itself, is a war crime. Israel to this day is bombing targets inside Syria. The only reason we are there is to protect Israeli assets.

So, you’re proposing that you’re scenarios are the only possible ones? That the US is incapable of fabricating a story not to expose its war crime in Syria? I admitted they were possible…not plausible imo. Let’s see if you can do the same…instead of twisting and turning posts into pretzel. Can you?
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can you read? I said you were skipping over 3 or 4 options to jump straight into America is just flat out wrong, didn't say America couldn't be wrong or that weren't other options. You asked what those 3 or 4 other options were and I was laying out those 3 or 4 steps, never said they were the only options. I even went over how the US could have been doing the same thing with the same steps, but I guess you also ignored that as well.

Israel has invited us over there, but you rant and rave about us helping them even though we were invited. Jordan has similarly invited us over. but even with those invites you still hold us as wrong but give Russia a pass. which just goes to show you can't be consistent or logical when it comes to America. You just jump past anything, ruling it improbable, than doesn't make us the bad guys in literally every situation. I have never seen you or Ras react to a situation which didn't lay the majority of the blame on the US/west. literally none, so while you acknowledge we aren't at blame literally 100% of the time, you act and post like we are. which just circles back to your inconsistencies.
 
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