Iraq War = Crusade

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Who on this board thinks that Katrina didnt didnt give this nation a black eye back in 05.

I remember watching people on that bridge in New Orleans for damn near four days. I kept thinking when in the hell are the Choppers or boats going to come get them.

4 DAYS
 
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nickknx865 said:
They had a mandatory evacuation underway 3 days before the storm hit.
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Nagin called for it less than 24hrs before the storm hit. It shouldn't have taken that long for an rational person to get out of a city built below sea level to get out of the way of a cat 4 hurricane
 
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utvolpj said:
Nagin called for it less than 24hrs before the storm hit. It shouldn't have taken that long for an rational person to get out of a city built below sea level to get out of the way of a cat 4 hurricane
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I know the feds had given evacuation orders on Friday or Saturday, and the storm hit on a Monday.
 
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lazy4163 said:
Who on this board thinks that Katrina didnt didnt give this nation a black eye back in 05.

I remember watching people on that bridge in New Orleans for damn near four days. I kept thinking when in the hell are the Choppers or boats going to come get them.

4 DAYS
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it did but the outrage was misdirected IMO. The feds could have done more but the state govt should have done more for the people they rep.

and when I saw the people sitting there in NO I wondered why the heck they didn't leave when they had a chance (and where do they think that 'new' plasma is going to be plugged in)
 
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Bush has Rumsfeld to thank for his image today. It was Katrina that made Bush's approval number go south.
 
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utvolpj said:
it did but the outrage was misdirected IMO. The feds could have done more but the state govt should have done more for the people they rep.

and when I saw the people sitting there in NO I wondered why the heck they didn't leave when they had a chance (and where do they think that 'new' plasma is going to be plugged in)
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I agree that people more should have evacuated, and state and loacl governments were at fault also, but no American citizen should have to wait four days for help.

We watched babies and elderly people die for four days on that damn bridge.
 
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lazy4163 said:
I agree that people more should have evacuated, and state and loacl governments were at fault also, but no American citizen should have to wait four days for help.

We watched babies and elderly people die for four days on that damn bridge.
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actually no American citizen should want to wait one second for their gov't to do anything for them.
 
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utvolpj said:
actually no American citizen should want to wait one second for their gov't to do anything for them.
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I do agree that American Citizens shouldnt expect much from the federal government but the fact is that there are many people out there that cant help theirselves and in my opinion we have a moral obligation to help them.

If God Forbid the big New Madrid Earthquake hits here in West TN in my lifetime I would like to hope that FEMA will be there to help my community.

Thats one of the main reasons we pay taxes after all. Whether its a Nateral Disaster or an invading army our government should be there to help and protect its people.
 
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rjd970 said:
Religion or so you mean Christianity?

Something tells me you would have a cared a great deal if Rumsfield had quoted pagan spells....or heaven forbid, Obama quoting the Qu'ran.
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This IS a country founded on Christian principles and values. Try reading the letters and speeches of the founding fathers to understand what they meant by the idea of freedom of religion.
 
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Headed For Home said:
This IS a country founded on Christian principles and values. Try reading the letters and speeches of the founding fathers to understand what they meant by the idea of freedom of religion.
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While the early portion to the founding of our country was founded on religious circumstances, I believe the constitution specifies that religion and government are not to mix. I can make an exception for the Ten Commandments in say, courthouses, considering some of our basic laws are built off of that, but anything else is pushing it.
 
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nickknx865 said:
While the early portion to the founding of our country was founded on religious circumstances, I believe the constitution specifies that religion and government are not to mix. I can make an exception for the Ten Commandments in say, courthouses, considering some of our basic laws are built off of that, but anything else is pushing it.
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Other than don't steal, don't kill, and don't bear false witness, what laws are based off the ten commandments? It's not like those were original ideas either.
 
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nickknx865 said:
While the early portion to the founding of our country was founded on religious circumstances, I believe the constitution specifies that religion and government are not to mix. I can make an exception for the Ten Commandments in say, courthouses, considering some of our basic laws are built off of that, but anything else is pushing it.
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Just to play devil's advocate, you (not you personally but democrats in general) want a strict interpretation of seperation of church and state but a "judicial activist" view of the constution in almost every other provision?
 
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vols4sure said:
Just to play devil's advocate, you (not you personally but democrats in general) want a strict interpretation of seperation of church and state but a "judicial activist" view of the constution in almost every other provision?
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I don't think that most Dems want so much an activist. While on the surface, that would appear to be so, it in fact, is not.

Democrats and liberals want there to be a strict interpretation of the laws and constitution as well. The difference is, I think most Dems and libs like the idea of an ever changing judicial system as the times pass and new technology and mediums become available.

We want strict laws and interpretations of those laws. It's just that you have to change and evolve as technology and other mediums of communication and contact with other people, and even maybe(I'm not a UFO-zoink), those from other worlds, evolve as well.
 
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666 said:
Other than don't steal, don't kill, and don't bear false witness, what laws are based off the ten commandments?
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Ask liquor store owners in various states whether "Remember the sabbath and keep it holy" affects their revenue.
 
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nickknx865 said:
While the early portion to the founding of our country was founded on religious circumstances, I believe the constitution specifies that religion and government are not to mix. I can make an exception for the Ten Commandments in say, courthouses, considering some of our basic laws are built off of that, but anything else is pushing it.
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Stealing, Killing, and Perjury are the only ones that have any judicial relevance...and they amount to common sense. You can't tell me the Israelites didn't know murder, theft, and lying were wrong before Moses came down from the mountain.

The rest aren't laws with moral significance to society. And the first 4, at least, are flat out unconstitutional. That reason alone should bar them from being displayed in any courthouse.
 
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rjd970 said:
The rest aren't laws with moral significance to society. And the first 4, at least, are flat out unconstitutional. That reason alone should bar them from being displayed in any courthouse.
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Does it have to be purely religious dogma? Could the posting of the 10 Commandments also be seen as a nod to the establishment of societal norms and mores which eventually led to modern day law?
 
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GAVol said:
Does it have to be purely religious dogma? Could the posting of the 10 Commandments also be seen as a nod to the establishment of societal norms and mores which eventually led to modern day law?
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Of course there is room for interpretation, but IMO it doesn't apply. I think you would first have to show how it led to modern day law. How many people have been thrown in jail for working on certain days of the week, or yelling a curse word, or even thinking about another man's wife? Again, killing, lying, and stealing apply, but they certainly aren't unique to the 10 commandments and were around long before the stories in the old testament were told.

I would think something like the magna carta has more relevance to that line of argument, more so than an inherently religious document that not only doesn't apply most of the time, but in some cases is completely opposite to modern day law.
 
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It's funny to me how many of the liberals blame the federal government for failing the people in LA and not responding in a timely manner yet they want this same federal government to control health care.

Doesn't add up.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm not calling it a crusade, but you got to wonder what they were thinking quoting scripture in daily intelligence briefings.
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but when quotes from the koran or any other religious text its viewed in awe? BS, he read a bible verse, get over it. Who does it actually harm besides the people that are looking to make something out of nothing? Plus look at your source, CNN? really? I couldnt tell you who is worse CNN or the NY times
 
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nickknx865 said:
So, you're blaming the City of New Orleans' citizens for the federal and state government's 2 day late response?

:good!:
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the mayor and governor refused federal aid. the second they got the national guard in there the situation basically resolved itself. so yes this was LA and NO's fault.
 
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droski said:
the mayor and governor refused federal aid. the second they got the national guard in there the situation basically resolved itself. so yes this was LA and NO's fault.
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Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco should have been held criminally negligent in the aftermath of Katrina. But no, the MSM and the left will continue to blame Bush.
 
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