Irrational obsession with the Gators

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by brg72@Oct 4, 2005 1:57 PM
I think it is the norm now to buy up the firexxx.com  Its a quick buck for those advertising and selling tshirts. I guarantee there is one for every coach out there.

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You nailed it brg. Its a gimmick to sell stuff. That's what happened to fireronzook.com in the end. Just a sales technique.

For those feigning surprised delight that there is discord in Gainesville, puuuhhhhllleeeaaassseee. We all know you do not mean it when you say you hope he sticks around so as to make it easier to beat Florida. He willed us to a win over UT this year, and you know it.

Whether he sticks with an option attack and recruits accordingly, or alters it to be better suited to the type of talent UF traditionally gets remains to be seen. But in the end he will not be stale. He's young and innovative and any honest fan of an opposing team would admit that in the long haul this worries them.

In fact, an honest UT fan would admit that they worry that the fear of change in your offensive schemes is what ails your program. UF is a team experimenting with a new offense and everyone knows that Meyer is smart enough and talented enough to tinker with it or change it altogether if he can't make it work at UF. On the other hand, there is considerable reason to believe that the UT coaching staff is unreasonably intransigent in adapting and changing much because they worry that, if they do, they are admitting they made a mistake in their game design.

To be blunt, you got your own discord to worry about. Don't waste time on ours.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 2:10 PM


In fact, an honest UT fan would admit that they worry that the fear of change in your offensive schemes is what ails your program.  UF is a team experimenting with a new offense and everyone knows that Meyer is smart enough and talented enough to tinker with it or change it altogether if he can't make it work at UF.  On the other hand, there is considerable reason to believe that the UT coaching staff is unreasonably intransigent in adapting and changing much because they worry that, if they do, they are admitting they made a mistake in their game design.

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True football fans will admit this is at the center of their own doubt in UT's season this year.

 

[GatorsN07]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 2:10 PM
You nailed it brg.  Its a gimmick to sell stuff.  That's what happened to fireronzook.com in the end.  Just a sales technique.

For those feigning surprised delight that there is discord in Gainesville, puuuhhhhllleeeaaassseee.  We all know you do not mean it when you say you hope he sticks around so as to make it easier to beat Florida.  He willed us to a win over UT this year, and you know it.

Whether he sticks with an option attack and recruits accordingly, or alters it to be better suited to the type of talent UF traditionally gets remains to be seen.  But in the end he will not be stale.  He's young and innovative and any honest fan of an opposing team would admit that in the long haul this worries them.

In fact, an honest UT fan would admit that they worry that the fear of change in your offensive schemes is what ails your program.  UF is a team experimenting with a new offense and everyone knows that Meyer is smart enough and talented enough to tinker with it or change it altogether if he can't make it work at UF.  On the other hand, there is considerable reason to believe that the UT coaching staff is unreasonably intransigent in adapting and changing much because they worry that, if they do, they are admitting they made a mistake in their game design.

To be blunt, you got your own discord to worry about.  Don't waste time on ours.

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Yeah, what he said! :bow: :rock:

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

So, we have a gator fan on a UT site telling us not to worry/think/comment so much about the other team?

You could have predicted what you would read here concerning UM before you got here, just as I can quote every Krispy Kreme joke at gatorsports by heart. You need a thicker skin.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 2:10 PM
You nailed it brg.  Its a gimmick to sell stuff.  That's what happened to fireronzook.com in the end.  Just a sales technique.

For those feigning surprised delight that there is discord in Gainesville, puuuhhhhllleeeaaassseee.  We all know you do not mean it when you say you hope he sticks around so as to make it easier to beat Florida.  He willed us to a win over UT this year, and you know it.

Whether he sticks with an option attack and recruits accordingly, or alters it to be better suited to the type of talent UF traditionally gets remains to be seen.  But in the end he will not be stale.  He's young and innovative and any honest fan of an opposing team would admit that in the long haul this worries them.

In fact, an honest UT fan would admit that they worry that the fear of change in your offensive schemes is what ails your program.  UF is a team experimenting with a new offense and everyone knows that Meyer is smart enough and talented enough to tinker with it or change it altogether if he can't make it work at UF.  On the other hand, there is considerable reason to believe that the UT coaching staff is unreasonably intransigent in adapting and changing much because they worry that, if they do, they are admitting they made a mistake in their game design.

To be blunt, you got your own discord to worry about.  Don't waste time on ours.

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Look here ambulance chaser. We do not like the Florida Gators and if we want to talk about that program we will. If you don't like it don't read the posts. That is your decision, but don't tell us what to or not to discuss on a UT board.
As far as UM willing UF a win over us!? Your nuts. Our offense struggled and UM had NOTHING to do with that. He did not drop any passes or make any bad throws! This is hilarious. We will beat him more than not and by no means am I as a UT alum and UT fan afraid of UM or any other coach or school in the nation. That is what being a VOL is all about. Yes, we may criticize our coaches some. But I wouldn't trade CPF for a mountain west trickster on coach Fulmers worse day.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Oct 4, 2005 2:15 PM
So, we have a gator fan on a UT site telling us not to worry/think/comment so much about the other team?

You could have predicted what you would read here concerning UM before you got here, just as I can quote every Krispy Kreme joke at gatorsports by heart.  You need a thicker skin.

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LOL, now that was pretty good, Frenzy.

My main point was that I think that UT fans are expressing their own concerns about the UT offense being stale and slow to change by poking fun at the Gators as they struggle with change. In the end, my post was not so much about UF and Meyer as it was about my personal read on why UT fans are mocking Meyer.

If you look at this board's anti-Sanders posts of, say, the last TWO MONTHS, my theory will be borne out.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 2:12 PM
True football fans will admit this is at the center of their own doubt in UT's season this year.

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Lawgator1,

Have you lost it?

You're talking to yourself and quoting yourself in this thread.

They put people in special places when this happens.

As to the firemeyer.com site, it's news. If there's a firefulmer site it would probably get some news when it first went up, in fact, I think there is one.

The only difference that I've seen so far is that Gator fans really buy into these sites and make them profitable to run. :biggrin2:

Anyone can put up a freebie site.

The fireronzook.com site was a very successful site that got national attention and became the tell-tale saga of his tenure at Florida.

Now, about this matter of having conversations with yourself, I'm not sure if it's healthy.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Oct 4, 2005 2:15 PM
So, we have a gator fan on a UT site telling us not to worry/think/comment so much about the other team?

You could have predicted what you would read here concerning UM before you got here, just as I can quote every Krispy Kreme joke at gatorsports by heart.  You need a thicker skin.

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Well, its kinda hard NOT to "worry" about it when soooooooooo many gator fans spend a lot of time on here trying to convince both us and themsleves that UM is the next big thing in football. Just like they did the same thing in 2002, AFTER Ron Zooks UF team beat UTs team.

Point is 2-fold:

1) SPread Offense WILL NOT work in the SEC.

2) If UM decides to stay with it, he will end up at a Big 10 school, just like Ron Zook.

As far as fear, I fear UM like I did Ron Zook. :nener:

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by OldVol@Oct 4, 2005 2:22 PM
Lawgator1,

Anyone can put up a freebie site.

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Exactly.


And I talk to myself because I prefer the comany of genius.


And I am no ambulance chaser. Quite the contrary. 95 percent of my work is representing law enforcement when they get sued for professional liability, like high speed pursuits ending in wrecks, shooting unarmed people, false arrest, illegal searches, etc.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 2:19 PM
LOL, now that was pretty good, Frenzy.

My main point was that I think that UT fans are expressing their own concerns about the UT offense being stale and slow to change by poking fun at the Gators as they struggle with change.  In the end, my post was not so much about UF and Meyer as it was about my personal read on why UT fans are mocking Meyer.

If you look at this board's anti-Sanders posts of, say, the last TWO MONTHS, my theory will be borne out.

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I think it has more to do with UM being the media darling that was going to "shake up" the good ol' boy SEC. It hasn't happend.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Oct 4, 2005 2:27 PM
I think it has more to do with UM being the media darling that was going to "shake up" the good ol' boy SEC. It hasn't happend.

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Id relax on LG. Just another topic in which he is actually addressing his own fears.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 3:19 PM
LOL, now that was pretty good, Frenzy.

My main point was that I think that UT fans are expressing their own concerns about the UT offense being stale and slow to change by poking fun at the Gators as they struggle with change.  In the end, my post was not so much about UF and Meyer as it was about my personal read on why UT fans are mocking Meyer.

If you look at this board's anti-Sanders posts of, say, the last TWO MONTHS, my theory will be borne out.

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I think it points more to a mocking of the UF fanbase in general and not UM himself. Look at it from the outside:

The UF fanbase crowned UM before ever coaching a "worthy" opponent; they pretty much gave him an SEC championship in his first year or so. It was ultra-hype and worship. Now, after ONE loss, a large %%% has gone from urban-renewal to sub-urban. Your (the UF fanbase) great expectations set him up for failure. That is funny. I don't care who you are.

As to the RS hatred here. I don't agree with it, but I will at least say that it is a "grown" feeling after much perceived underachievement. It is a mature sentiment, much older than one loss.

And, for the record, I'd take our chances against UM than MANY other SEC coaches***. Seriously.


*** UM had so little to do with our loss this year, and much moreso it was a result of our own struggles. UM's vunder-schemes gave you 16 points. I'll definitely take my chances against that when we have an offense clicking. (Just my thoughts).

Take care you dirty gator.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 2:26 PM
Exactly.
And I talk to myself because I prefer the comany of genius.  
And I am no ambulance chaser.  Quite the contrary.  95 percent of my work is representing law enforcement when they get sued for professional liability, like high speed pursuits ending in wrecks, shooting unarmed people, false arrest, illegal searches, etc.

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OK, you lost me on the ambulance chaser part. Did I miss something?

I missed something back in 1972, but it hasn't happened again.

As to the success of this latest firethegatorcoach.com site, that's yet to be determined.

If he should lose another one ugly like the last one, then it will start getting hits and message board posts, and they'll sell t-shirts and anything else that turns a buck.

The bottom line is; it takes disgruntled fans to make those sites profitable. So far, UT hasn't had a firethecoach.com site that has gotten off its butt.

It can't be a good thing that the zook site was so successful. Someone feared it so much that they purchased the same .com site that would be named for Meyer, so someone takes them seriously.

 

[volinbham]

You've attributed motive - projection of doubts about oneself onto a rival.

To use your words PUH-LEASE.

How about this for an explanation. Gator fans that were spoiled with Spurrier and believe that the natural place for UF is at the top, predict that UM will be the second coming and that national championships will fall like rain.

Vol fans question the viability of UM's offensive scheme in the SEC especially with a QB that doesn't fit the scheme at the helm.

Gator fans freak out and claim jealously, insanity etc on the part of Vol fans. UM is a god and his offense will destroy teams.

Vol fans appear to be proven right. We didn't believe the hype and to date, it has been mostly hype.

Gator fans come to a UT site and accuse Vol fans of being obessed and projecting feelings of inadequacy onto the Gators.

Yet somehow, we are the ones that are obsessed and delusional :blink:

Put down the pipe and step away slowly.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 4, 2005 2:35 PM
You've attributed motive - projection of doubts about oneself onto a rival.

To use your words PUH-LEASE.

How about this for an explanation.  Gator fans that were spoiled with Spurrier and believe that the natural place for UF is at the top, predict that UM will be the second coming and that national championships will fall like rain.

Vol fans question the viability of UM's offensive scheme in the SEC especially with a QB that doesn't fit the scheme at the helm.

Gator fans freak out and claim jealously, insanity etc on the part of Vol fans.  UM is a god and his offense will destroy teams.

Vol fans appear to be proven right.  We didn't believe the hype and to date, it has been mostly hype.

Gator fans come to a UT site and accuse Vol fans of being obessed and projecting feelings of inadequacy onto the Gators.

Yet somehow, we are the ones that are obsessed and delusional  :blink:

Put down the pipe and step away slowly.

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Let me also add that we traveled this same road with Zook.

Gator fans arent very good at learning from their own history.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 2:38 PM
Let me also add that we traveled this same road with Zook. 

Gator fans arent very good at learning from their own history.

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BINGO!

 

[GatorsN07]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 2:38 PM
Let me also add that we traveled this same road with Zook. 

Gator fans arent very good at learning from their own history.

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I don't remember much hype when Ron Zook got hired. What are you talking about? I could not believed they hired Zook. I hadn't even heard of him until he was hired by UF. :huh:

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by GatorsN07@Oct 4, 2005 2:43 PM
I don't remember much hype when Ron Zook got hired.  What are you talking about?  I could not believed they hired Zook.  I hadn't even heard of him until he was hired by UF. :huh:

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Selective memory.

 

[volinbham]

Since we are into psychological diagnoses here let's evaluate the gator fan.

Facing the dissonance of believing in the invincibility of their new coach compared to the actual on field performance, the brain strives to reach a balance.

How is the balance achieved? Strike out at rivals. Sooth their feelings of doubt (I trusted UM and he let me down), betrayal (he said his offense would work) and hurt by lashing out at rivals. The pain of realization that hopes will once again be dashed results in a need to inflict hurt on others. We see it all too often (see Bama attribution of own wrongdoing onto anyone or anything).

Any honest Gator fan would have to admit this is the reason for visiting a UT board and chastising it's members

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 4, 2005 2:47 PM
Since we are into psychological diagnoses here let's evaluate the gator fan.

Facing the dissonance of believing in the invincibility of their new coach compared to the actual on field performance, the brain strives to reach a balance.

How is the balance achieved?  Strike out at rivals.  Sooth their feelings of doubt (I trusted UM and he let me down), betrayal (he said his offense would work) and hurt by lashing out at rivals.  The pain of realization that hopes will once again be dashed results in a need to inflict hurt on others.  We see it all too often (see Bama attribution of own wrongdoing onto anyone or anything).

Any honest Gator fan would have to admit this is the reason for visiting a UT board and chastising it's members 

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Absolutely,

My coach sucks so I'll divert the attention to gangstas.

If any team does not want to compare misdemeanants it is Florida.

 

[volbrian]

As has been the case since SOS' departure from good ole UF, Gator fans look at a win over Tennessee (one of the 2 since he left) as a springboard to greater things. But as seems to be the case, it will end up being the highlight of their season.

 

[GatorsN07]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 2:47 PM
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Selective memory.

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http://www.sptimes.com/2002/01/10/Sports/U...scratch_h.shtml

Doesn't look as though we were very excited for Zook's hire. Just providing some factual info rather than opinion. Anyway, I don't think UM is a miracle worker and his system might not work. But it is just to early to tell. If it does not work, then who's to say UM can't adapt and overcome. No one knows because it is TOO EARLY! :fool:

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 4, 2005 2:47 PM
Since we are into psychological diagnoses here let's evaluate the gator fan.

Facing the dissonance of believing in the invincibility of their new coach compared to the actual on field performance, the brain strives to reach a balance.

How is the balance achieved?  Strike out at rivals.  Sooth their feelings of doubt (I trusted UM and he let me down), betrayal (he said his offense would work) and hurt by lashing out at rivals.  The pain of realization that hopes will once again be dashed results in a need to inflict hurt on others.  We see it all too often (see Bama attribution of own wrongdoing onto anyone or anything).

Any honest Gator fan would have to admit this is the reason for visiting a UT board and chastising it's members 

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Oh my gosh, I did not mean for my initial post to be a chastising of UT fans or members of this board. But, now that I re-read it after yours, bham, I certainly see that it reads that way. I do not deny that I hoped to needle you guys a bit, but then again that is ultimately the reason any fan posts on another's board, isn't it?

My goal was to try to get someone to acknowledge that there is an element of .. well, its not quite jealousy or envy or coveting .. UF and its hiring of Meyer. What I was hoping is that some UT fan would say, yes, part of the reason some Vols fans criticize Meyer is out of frustration with the sluggishness with which UT's coaching staff is entertaining the notion of change in the way UT has always done things.

Does anyone have the courage to admit that they wish at least that Fulmer or the assistant coaches had more willingness to change and experiment, as UF is doing? I know, I know, it has worked so far and UF has to do it because of the new coach, etc. But is it not the case that some of you wish that UT would loosen up a bit in that respect, too?

As to those who think I am on here just to rant and rave for the Gators, I don't think that's a fair assessment. Sure I am a fan and sure I like to tease and sure I like to tout, etc. But, just because the idea that UT is maybe a little stale comes from a Gator fan in this forum does not mean it isn't true!! Heck, I could probably find 20 posts expressing that sentiment here after the UT-UF game and probably even a few this week, all from UT fans.

Don't reject the message just because you don't respect the messenger.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 4, 2005 3:08 PM
Oh my gosh, I did not mean for my initial post to be a chastising of UT fans or members of this board.  But, now that I re-read it after yours, bham, I certainly see that it reads that way.  I do not deny that I hoped to needle you guys a bit, but then again that is ultimately the reason any fan posts on another's board, isn't it?

My goal was to try to get someone to acknowledge that there is an element of .. well, its not quite jealousy or envy or coveting .. UF and its hiring of Meyer.  What I was hoping is that some UT fan would say, yes, part of the reason some Vols fans criticize Meyer is out of frustration with the sluggishness with which UT's coaching staff is entertaining the notion of change in the way UT has always done things.

Does anyone have the courage to admit that they wish at least that Fulmer or the assistant coaches had more willingness to change and experiment, as UF is doing?  I know, I know, it has worked so far and UF has to do it because of the new coach, etc.  But is it not the case that some of you wish that UT would loosen up a bit in that respect, too?

As to those who think I am on here just to rant and rave for the Gators, I don't think that's a fair assessment.  Sure I am a fan and sure I like to tease and sure I like to tout, etc.  But, just because the idea that UT is maybe a little stale comes from  a Gator fan in this forum does not mean it isn't true!!  Heck, I could probably find 20 posts expressing that sentiment here after the UT-UF game and probably even a few this week, all from UT fans.

Don't reject the message just because you don't respect the messenger.

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No actually the reason is that he is the head coach of the Gators! Plain and simple. Also throw in that he was the media darling especially on ESPN and there you have it.
As far as "it" coming from a Gator fan your wrong. It is kinda like a family member. We can criticize but you can't. I would guess that the same holds true with Gator fans.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by GatorsN07@Oct 4, 2005 3:05 PM
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/01/10/Sports/U...scratch_h.shtml

Doesn't look as though we were very excited for Zook's hire.  Just providing some factual info rather than opinion.  Anyway, I don't think UM is a miracle worker and his system might not work.  But it is just to early to tell.  If it does not work, then who's to say UM can't adapt and overcome.  No one knows because it is TOO EARLY! :fool:

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Ok. Heres the deal.

Zook was UFs 3rd pick to replace SOS. Bob stoops was the top choice, but he declined. I cant remember who they tried next. But they settled for Zook.

A lot of UF fans were cautiosuly optimistic about Zook. They kept saying lets wait and give him a chance. Let him get his own players into the system

In his first year, UF BEAT UT. Or, as all VOL fans can remember, the Vols iimploded during the UF game. It was a game where UF has us backed up to our own goal line and Casey Clausen coulnt even get the snap from center. He fumbled 3 straight snaps. How he kept a UF safety from happening is beyond me.

ANyhoo, after the game, every gator fan jumped on the RZ bandwagon. If he beat UT, then he is a legit coach. Turns out, RZ lost 2 more that year and as it turned out, beating UT wasnt any big deal in 2002 (we had more problems then than we do now).

Point is, after the UT win "legitimized" Zook, we know how that turned out. Gatorfans like yourself, seem to be following the same path with UM. You are right, time will tell. But the paralells of the 2 seasons are uncanny.