Irwin: Guarantano throws a prettier ball than Manning, but doesn't have the intangibles

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Unless the ones who are giving their opinions about JG are D1 coaches, I am absolutely correct in my statements. Fans and sports writers hive their opinions based on what they see on Saturdays. But those opinions can be biased. There are some that just dont like JG. There were some on here that said KC would be the day 1 starter and be the best QB on the team immediately. Those opinions show bias.

Like I have stated, you can say whatever you want about JG but there is a reason he is the starter. What is it? Now if he cannot read a defense but Chryst can, then why isnt he the starter? Now, you could say that Pruitt is looking to the future but do you buy that? If thats the case then Pruitt is intentionally playing the worse QB in hopes for future success. If he is truly doing that, then he sucks as a coach and doesnt know what he is doing. What are the chances of CJP and his staff just not being able to see these glaring deficiencies?

I agree that KC should absolutely start and play a whole game. As a matter of fact, I want to see him start against SC and UK. He may very well be the better QB. Oh and yes it could be worse than what we have done so far. What if KC came in and started throwing INts? That would be much worse. So yes give him a shot. And if he ends us the better QB, then so be it. But again, people need to stop making themselves look stupid by thinking they know what the coaches dont. Its ridiculous.
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Elementary minds formulate elementary attempts at logic..
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Doesn't that depend a little on the level of opponent, though? Auburn blitzed a lot but wasn't able to stop our passing. We've already faced the best pass rushing teams on the schedule. We should see the OL have more success the next 5 games than we did the past 4.

Maybe the staff is happier with a guy taking more of those hits is he's making passes that give WRs a chance. KC had one throw away against bama on a 3rd down that was probably a smart call for him. But that was a situation where JG probably takes the hit and gives someone like Callaway, JG, or Palmer a chance to make a play on the ball.

We likely don't win against Auburn if our QB isn't willing to take some hits pushing the ball downfield. Maybe the coaches value that and think it's a fair trade off for some sacks. Who knows.
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His throw away was on a screen play that would have lost yardage. He had nowhere to go with the ball.

Unless you are talking about the one thrown behind Callaway. Which he didn’t really have any other option.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
His throw away was on a screen play that would have lost yardage. He had nowhere to go with the ball.
Unless you are talking about the one thrown behind Callaway. Which he didn’t really have any other option.
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Yep. That's a play where JG probably takes the hit, but gets off the throw.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yep. That's a play where JG probably takes the hit, but gets off the throw.
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I mean I’ll have to go look at that play again but, that I believe was the 1.5 second throw that I mentioned earlier.

That defender came unblocked. I don’t think Chryst would have been able to even take a hit and make a throw in the amount of time it would have taken Callaway to turn his head.

Chryst tried to still put it where Callaway had a chance if he looked back. (Not Callaways fault btw someone was mentioning that a few days ago.)
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I mean I’ll have to go look at that play again but, that I believe was the 1.5 second throw that I mentioned earlier.

That defender came unblocked. I don’t think Chryst would have been able to even take a hit and make a throw in the amount of time it would have taken Callaway to turn his head.

Chryst tried to still put it where Callaway had a chance if he looked back. (Not Callaways fault btw someone was mentioning that a few days ago.)
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It wasn't really put where Callaway had a shot because he was basically just throwing it away. He made a smart play there. It was the right one, IMO. But that's one of those plays where JG probably stands tall, takes a hit, and tries to get the throw off.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I don’t know what the coaches reasons are but I do know what I can see and have seen between the two QBs. That being said maybe there are other elements in play that I don’t know about.
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This reiterates my point. What us fans see means little. Why? Because we arent trained or qualified to make absolute statements about our players.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
It wasn't really put where Callaway had a shot because he was basically just throwing it away. He made a smart play there. It was the right one, IMO. But that's one of those plays where JG probably stands tall, takes a hit, and tries to get the throw off.
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So here is our first touchdown. I didn’t realize how tight of a throw that was and Chryst threw an almost perfect ball and got it in that window.View attachment 173360

Also here is the throw you were talking about and Chryst threw it at the last second, and still didn’t have time for Callaway to look back. It was 2nd and 11 on this play, it wasn’t 3rd down.
Edit: Notice the RB missed the block....

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We are last in most offensive categories. Some of that is due to the schedule. JG should be on a short leash this week. If he can't make plays against a very mediocre D, he should get the hook.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
So here is our first touchdown. I didn’t realize how tight of a throw that was and Chryst threw an almost perfect ball and got it in that window.View attachment 173360
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I just want to preface this by saying this was a good play by KC.

However, that play where we slipped a RB out and got a rub play from the WR on the LB covering him. Really well designed play there. Chryst snuck the pass in on a rope before the LB could get there (he was slowed by the rub the WR did), but he could have floated it over the top as well. Chandler was super open there.

Also here is the throw you were talking about and Chryst threw it at the last second, and still didn’t have time for Callaway to look back. It was 2nd and 11 on this play, it wasn’t 3rd down.
Edit: Notice the RB missed the block....

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Got a link to the video here? this is about as useless of a still frame as you could have picked out here to make a point.
 
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NVM found the video. Yeah that was just a blown play. Not much to do there. He maybe could have stepped up in the pocket, but just throwing it away in the general area of a WR was definitely the right play there.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
NVM found the video. Yeah that was just a blown play. Not much to do there. He maybe could have stepped up in the pocket, but just throwing it away in the general area of a WR was definitely the right play there.
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Yeah sorry about the stillshot it was hard to get the defender and Chryst throwing at the same time.

Edit: I also apologize to Chandler for saying he missed the block because it was actually Trey Smith who missed the block. (He needs to stop worrying about helping people and just block his assignment)
 
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What do you guys think? Irwin has seen a lot of QB's in his time. Can JG improve on the mental part of the game enough, even though he has all of the physical tools? Does KC possess these mental attributes that could get us over the top? I was high on Chryst early on, but I had to admit Guarantano threw a nice ball. Is that enough, though, when he can't see what the defense is bringing?

Irwin: Guarantano throws a prettier ball than Manning but doesn't have the intangibles
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nope have an opinion all you want. I will have mine as well.
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I am usually on the same page with you BOT. I think this is a point where both sides can be correct at the same time. JG is not doing much pre-snap. I don't think you have to be a coach to see that. He is sluggish getting the ball out. This offense requires a 2.5 second release , especially with the offensive line issues. What I saw with KC Sat was a quick release and having a pre-snap handle on what was coming at him and where he was going with the ball.
All that being said , KC is not the future. He is a potential band aid. Could he have won the games we have lost ? Probably not. Could he have made a bit more noise on the score board ? Probably so. I think the coaches believe that they could get to a bowl with JG and nurse him along for the benefit of next season. With only 4 seniors getting playing time and a 20+ class coming in , they could be a really competitive group next year with the right QB. JG could get us 3 more wins and a bowl. IF that happens, the coaches made the right choice for the future. I don't think KC could have done any better down the stretch . Just my thoughts
 
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BeecherVol said:
For those that don't have a personal preference it's easier to see.
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This is the second time in two days you've confused me.

Do you mean, For those that DO have a personal preference its easier to see? Because I don't have a personal preference.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So in short, just like I said. Nobody on this message board knows. Keep on believeing they do though if it helps you. I will defer to the coaches. If they say Chryst is the guy, then I am 100% behind him. But as I said, seems strange that they cannot recognize the seemingly glaring deficiencies that you and some others say JG has. And I am not blaming anyone. I am just saying you dont know what you are talking about. So we shall see what happens.

I for one want to see what KC can do for a whole game or 2. I think we need to see it. He was a highly rated recruit who has had almost 4 years of stellar coaching. Yet for some reason, he couldnt beat out a guy who cannot read a simple defense. Now, lets see this guy play an entire game. He may be the answer to our offense. Who knows?
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100% might be a stretch, you think?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Unless the ones who are giving their opinions about JG are D1 coaches, I am absolutely correct in my statements. Fans and sports writers hive their opinions based on what they see on Saturdays. But those opinions can be biased. There are some that just dont like JG. There were some on here that said KC would be the day 1 starter and be the best QB on the team immediately. Those opinions show bias.

Like I have stated, you can say whatever you want about JG but there is a reason he is the starter. What is it? Now if he cannot read a defense but Chryst can, then why isnt he the starter? Now, you could say that Pruitt is looking to the future but do you buy that? If thats the case then Pruitt is intentionally playing the worse QB in hopes for future success. If he is truly doing that, then he sucks as a coach and doesnt know what he is doing. What are the chances of CJP and his staff just not being able to see these glaring deficiencies?

I agree that KC should absolutely start and play a whole game. As a matter of fact, I want to see him start against SC and UK. He may very well be the better QB. Oh and yes it could be worse than what we have done so far. What if KC came in and started throwing INts? That would be much worse. So yes give him a shot. And if he ends us the better QB, then so be it. But again, people need to stop making themselves look stupid by thinking they know what the coaches dont. Its ridiculous.
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I agree.
 
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k-town_king said:
JG needs improve. He has already. He will continue to.

Needs to improve on something didn't mean he can't do it at all.

Also nowhere does the article say KC is better at those. He isn't.
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Sorry to repeat myself, but I still haven't seen anyone saying it does or he is.

Why is it so important to you that everyone think JG is the greatest QB ever? Its gotten a little weird IMO.
 
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