Is anyone tired of hearing 'first African American president'??

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utvolpj said:
ummm, because he's not Muslim? I'd copy/paste proof but no one would read it



the posts I quoted were not about that.
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Go ahead and post your proof, I'll read it.

Just because Andrea Mitchell of ABC proclaims Obama is a devout Christian, doesn't make it so.

If Obama is a Christian then why would he support Raila Odinga who is decidedly, violently anti-Christian??

I understand who and what your post was addressing, the point being that they were sidetracking the discussion by distorting the facts and ignoring the original post in the thread.

Fine Vol said:
GS and Joe sittin in a tree HATING.....LOL
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Can't address the topic, flame the posters, my how intellectually stimulating.

I'm impressed with your quantum frog leaps of assumption.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know you well enough to label you anything. What I am saying is that I cannot for the life of me understand why anybody cares what Obama is called, unless it bothers them that he is in fact that. Whether it be African-American or as gsvol would argue Arab-American, it seems patently obvious that the real source of angst is that he falls into one of those categories, not the label itself.



Could it be that racism has been used to influence the selection of our POTUS??


I concede that we are all American, first and foremost. Ideally, the hyphen would not be used. But we are probably a century or so away from being past that. More importantly, some people wanting to add an adjective to it, such as "African-" make me no never mind and in fact those who protest it in this context, to me, are really much more in turmoil about the fact that he is African-American than that he is called that.

Or may that he IS NOT that.




But this is why the Republican lost in 2008 and are in big trouble overall -- people are tired of these sinister insinuations and dirty name-calling and pandering to our worst instincts. But clearly you are never going to understand that. So keep it up. You only make the left stronger by continuing spewing your hate-filled garbage.

None of that ever used by Democrats??? re the last eight years of hate filled rhetoric by the Democrat faithful.!!

The real reason Republicans enjoy so little support is that they portray themselves as democrat lite!!
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lawgator1 said:
Its all relative. I'm left of center, I imagine. But not a fan of Pelosi or Reid. Some things about Obama surely concern me. But I'm probably left of Hillary C on the war.
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What does concern you about Barrack Hussein obama??
 
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gsvol said:
Go ahead and post your proof, I'll read it.

Just because Andrea Mitchell of ABC proclaims Obama is a devout Christian, doesn't make it so.

If Obama is a Christian then why would he support Raila Odinga who is decidedly, violently anti-Christian??

I understand who and what your post was addressing, the point being that they were sidetracking the discussion by distorting the facts and ignoring the original post in the thread.



Can't address the topic, flame the posters, my how intellectually stimulating.

I'm impressed with your quantum frog leaps of assumption.
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Being a HATER does not make you a racist it is two different thngs.
 
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IPorange said:
Can someone come up with a clip or quote of Obama referring to himself as an African American? Just curious.
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I recall hearing him say he was treated as an African American so he embraced it. I'm not tired of hearing it, I just wish the talk show host would cut Bush some slack.:crazy:
 
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Fine Vol said:
Being a HATER does not make you a racist it is two different thngs.
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Is English your mother tongue??

Should you have said; "they are two different things?"

So what does that have to do with anything anyway??

You accuse someone of being a hater? On what basis??
 
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emainvol said:
But then he would actually have to think for himself.
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Who does your thinking???

So what do you think of the media's continual reference to the term "african-american"?

oklavol said:
Do you think insulting whoever you are debating with, will make your argument more convincing? It doesn't.
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Actually I was challenging him to address the topic rather than slurring my character or intellect.

Even you should be able to understand that, should you not??
 
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utfantilidie said:
I recall hearing him say he was treated as an African American so he embraced it. I'm not tired of hearing it, I just wish the talk show host would cut Bush some slack.:crazy:
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Barrack Hussein Obama has made a career of promoting racial strife.



From ‘Dreams of my Father’,

“THE EMOTION BETWEEN THE RACES COULD NEVER BE PURE...THE OTHER RACE WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT; MENACING, ALIEN AND APART.”

From ‘Dreams of My Father’,
“I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER’S RACE AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, WHEN I BEGAN TO SUSPECT THAT BY DOING SO I WAS INGRATIATING MYSELF TO WHITES.”

From Dreams Of My Father,
“NEVER EMULATE THE WHITE MEN and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER’S IMAGE, THE BLACK MAN, SON OF AFRICA, THAT I’D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF”.

From Dreams Of My Father:
“THAT HATE HADN’T GONE AWAY,” he wrote, BLAMING
“WHITE PEOPLE— some cruel, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

From Dreams Of My Father;
“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “IT REMAINED NECESSARY TO PROVE WHICH SIDE YOU WERE ON, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT, AND NAME NAMES. “

From Dreams Of My Father,
“I HAD GROWN ACCUSTOMED, everywhere, TO SUSPICIONS BETWEEN THE RACES.”

Dreams Of My Father:
“THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, though, was [HALF BROTHER ] ROY .. HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM” .

‘Audacity of Hope:
“LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED .. ISLAM...” “I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE”.

‘The Audacity Of Hope,
“I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION.”

From The Audacity Of Hope,
“WE ARE NO LONGER just A CHRISTIAN NATION..We ARE also a Jewish nation, A MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

I don't have the quote at hand right now but Obama wrote in one of his books that he identified with Malcolm X when he said that: "some whites might live in peace with blacks under the rule of Islam."
 
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I read well above 5th grade level at times. Just pointing out that the walls o' text are thread killers.
 
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GAVol said:
I read well above 5th grade level at times. Just pointing out that the walls o' text are thread killers.
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Well I don't remember ever disparaging your intellect.

But if you don't want to read or just skim the material I present (and I go out of my way to double check sources in the search of truth), then if you or anyone else can't take the second or so it takes to scroll by my post and continue your discussion, I really don't know what to tell you. Perhaps the thread wouldn't be worth the time consumed continuing it anyway?
 
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NO. I don't care how many times they mention he is African-American and I wouldn't care if they didn't mention it at all.

Only the far right reactionaries make it an issue. I tend to find it quite amusing as to why it "bothers" anyone. It is mostly a trait of those who live with hate and jealousy.
 
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truefan said:
NO. I don't care how many times they mention he is African-American and I wouldn't care if they didn't mention it at all.

Only the far right reactionaries make it an issue. I tend to find it quite amusing as to why it "bothers" anyone. It is mostly a trait of those who live with hate and jealousy.
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how is it far right reactionary to want Americans to be recognized as Americans rather than some hyphenated reference to their continent of origin? Seems an ideal to want everyone recognized as equal Americans. That's type of idea is rarely tossed about as righty.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how is it far right reactionary to want Americans to be recognized as Americans rather than some hyphenated reference to their continent of origin? Seems an ideal to want everyone recognized as equal Americans. That's type of idea is rarely tossed about as righty.
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You're trying to twist this into an issue of idealism. The only ones making an issue of it are the ones from the the right side of the aisle. You have one subgroup making a big deal out of it. Pretty simple.

My original post on the issue is accurate.
 
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gsvol said:
Who does your thinking???

So what do you think of the media's continual reference to the term "african-american"?



Actually I was challenging him to address the topic rather than slurring my character or intellect.

Even you should be able to understand that, should you not??
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I think that you guys have too much time on your hands and most of you sound exactly like the whiny ass liberals you profess to hate so much. How's that?

In other words, I don't care. They can call him whatever they feel is a properly descriptive term. If it is African-American, so be it.
 
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emainvol said:
I think that you guys have too much time on your hands and most of you sound exactly like the whiny ass liberals you profess to hate so much. How's that?

In other words, I don't care. They can call him whatever they feel is a properly descriptive term. If it is African-American, so be it.
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But he isn't African-American, that is the point.

And furthermore the problem is that the media distorts the truth on nearly every issue.
 
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why does it really matter? I am sick of it. I wander what people would say if there had been gold plated t-shirt with mccain's name on it. Just a thought after all the obama
"yes we can" tshirts.
 
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gsvol said:
But he isn't African-American, that is the point.

And furthermore the problem is that the media distorts the truth on nearly every issue.
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The point that I took from the article was that as a Kenyan, he had less in common with many of the current African-Americans in the US because they descended largely from west-African slaves and the Kenyans were in no way related to West-Africans. However, that point is a bit silly to me. Is African-American a term that can only apply to West-Africans?

If his father is Kenyan, and Kenya is in African, I would say that makes Obama an African-American in the sense that he descends from an African. Perhaps more importantly is the fact that Obama looks black...and he identifies as such...and in that sense calls himself an African-American. Obviously a given what we popularly attach to the term, white South-Africans would likely not come here and call themselves African-American unless it was tounge-in-cheek or to make a point.

Yes, he's half white and half black. He is more related to Middle-Easterners genetically than West-Africans.....all that is true. Would you prefer that we just refer to him as a multi-national, middle-eastern-genetics-containing, mulatto? He also looks black and his father is from Africa. I'm personally not offended or disturbed by hearing him referred to as an African-American.
 
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truefan said:
NO. I don't care how many times they mention he is African-American and I wouldn't care if they didn't mention it at all.

Only the far right reactionaries make it an issue. I tend to find it quite amusing as to why it "bothers" anyone. It is mostly a trait of those who live with hate and jealousy.
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So how do you define "far right reactionary?"

Does it bother you that the media presents "global warming" as fact rather than theory??
 
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#98
Is America the only country in the world that uses the continent or country where descendants are from- country you live in now thing?

I actually think it would be and interesting research project.

Has it now become a thing where only people with skin that isn't clearly white use the hyphen thing?

For decades Irish-Americans were discriminated against, aside from slavery, as any group in the country. I'm curious when that started to change and why?

Are black people in England referred to as African-Brits?

If I moved to France would my kids, born in France be called North American-Frenchmen?

This topic would make a good book IMO.
 
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JZVOL said:
Is America the only country in the world that uses the continent or country where descendants are from- country you live in now thing?

I actually think it would be and interesting research project.

Has it now become a thing where only people with skin that isn't clearly white use the hyphen thing?

For decades Irish-Americans were discriminated against, aside from slavery, as any group in the country. I'm curious when that started to change and why?

Are black people in England referred to as African-Brits?

If I moved to France would my kids, born in France be called North American-Frenchmen?

This topic would make a good book IMO.
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Displaced Jews were known as Russian Jews, German Jews, etc. It may not be the best example since Jew can refer to both a religion and ethnicity. I honestly don't know the answer to that question though.
 
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