Is Georgia's front 7 as good/better than Oklahoma's?

[ntxVOL]

AJ only made the All-American team this year on one list .. Leonard Floyd and Jordan Jenkins are both better players.

That's just a product of past team performance. Will be interesting to see how this plays out Saturday.

 

[TDawg]

Are you sure you watched SC play Georgia because we absolutely destroyed them on the left side of the line. Wilds almost had 100 yards rushing on Georgia and davis had around 60. We gave up 1 sack on a all out blitz. I was unimpressed with Georgia's Defense as a whole. I believe you guy's can put up points. Stop Gurley enough and I believe you guys can take the win.

You forgot the 9 QB hurries, 1 forced fumble, 1 interception, and 5 tackles for loss. Here's the thing, EVERYONE knows USCs strength is the offensive line. And yes, the left side of that line was dominant and guys like Waldrop will be playing on Sunday. So will Allan Knot who is as athletic at Center as it gets.

 

[sjt18]

What's shocking to me is that UGAs secondary could be weak and thin. That state produces massive numbers of athletes and UGA recruits top 10 every year and has had coaching stability g forever. Just does not computer after our woes for the past decade.

Typical Richtism. They've signed elite athletes but can't keep them on the roster for various reasons.

 

[YorkVol]

Can you measure the goodness or quality of a sack?

Your wife can...

 

[sjt18]

Who was All SEC at LB last year, in addition to AJ? Let me give you a hint. He led the SEC in tackles. Who was #3 in tackles? That would be Herrera.
UGA has 6 NFL linebackers, whether you wish to believe it or not.

UT currently has 2 of the top 3 tacklers in the SEC starting at LB.... and one of them ISN'T Maggitt who could start for any team in the SEC.

There is no basis to declare "best" at this point. It is purely subjective and when you come to an opponent's board proclaiming purely subjective opinions as ironclad facts.... you really shouldn't be surprised when people think your are an abject FOOL.

It also doesn't help you that you seem intent on writing UT's LB's off. They are playing very well and held an OU running attack that is certainly in UGA's league to less than 150 yds and well under 5 ypc.

I personally have said that UGA was the most talented team in the East. I still think you are. But you also still have Richt who seems to find ways to play down to competition and lose games he shouldn't. UT is better and further along than many of us thought they might be at this point. Jones and staff flat outcoached Richt and staff last year.

I'm not predicting a win. From the start of the season when predicting UT's final record this game along with OU and Bama was one I thought would be tough. But there are reasons to think UT has a chance.... and more of a chance than they had at OU.

 

[sjt18]

And the mindset on this board is just oh so different than that right? Whatever. If someone comes in here with actual facts, even if it's another UT fan, they get blasted with crap like unintelligent name calling from Negavol to Douchebag. If you present actual matchup analysis based on facts, you get mocked if it didn't line up with UT winning a game.

One sign of honest debate is that there are disagreements about what facts mean. I've been on both sides here because I give my opinions sincerely whether they seem negative or positive.

Namecalling from a few that don't know how to handle someone disagreeing with them... isn't much of a concern.

People on this thread saying UGAs front 7 is not even close to OUs for example. It fits the typical thread narrative of "Well this OOC team beat us senseless so they must be the best at everything we will face this season."

Saying that UGA doesn't have talent in its front 7 is pretty much on par with UGA fans here dismissing how good OU's front 7 is... and... OU actually has a quality secondary too.

Seriously? There's a lot of people who know way more than we do about the game calling UGAs LB corp the best group of LBs in the game.

In the game? Want to be a little more specific there?

Who are those "experts"? Stinchcomb maybe? His homerism is pretty thinly veiled much of the time.

Is this sort of like the "everyone" believes Gurley is a generational RB claim earlier?

 

[jspvol76]

Your wife can...

lol:

Lol, I posted that in haste yesterday not even thinking about how it sounded.

What I was trying to say is they are going to pressure and sack Worley just like OU did, and I'm not sure we will be able to tell much difference between the two defenses. At least in the front 7.

 

[HeathAllVol4]

I grew up on Brainerd Rd by the airport, but spent most of my middle/high school years in Ooltewah. Finished High School at Hamilton Heights (small Christian School off Hickory Valley) and went to college at Lee in Cleveland.

You from Chatt?

Yeah, I went to ooltewah my freshman year of high school!

 

[tampavolsfan]

Your wife can...

It was only a matter of time before this got posted.

 

[sjt18]

Jeremy Pruitt cleaned out the riff raff that Todd Grantham recruited. Which is why that riff raff has moved on to Allbarn (Trey Matthews) and Louisville following King Grantham himself (Shaq Wiggins and Josh Harvey-Clemons). Our mess to clean but we will let Pruitt do his thing for a while.

If a new DC has to clean out "riff raff" then a reasonable person would say something like, "Where was the HC when all this "riff raff" was being brought on to the team?"

The truth is that as nice of a guy as Richt seems to be... he doesn't run a real clean program. Maybe he thinks he can fix thugs. I don't know but his "discipline" appears to be purely reactionary.

UT's program since Fulmer's departure has gotten cleaner and cleaner. They've recruited better character then spent lots of time and resources on character development and academics. One of the few "good" things Dooley did was help establish the Vol for Life program. Jones has taken it to a whole new level.

It is the difference between handling a known risk proactively rather than reactively.

 

[sjt18]

lol:

Lol, I posted that in haste yesterday not even thinking about how it sounded.

What I was trying to say is they are going to pressure and sack Worley just like OU did, and I'm not sure we will be able to tell much difference between the two defenses. At least in the front 7.

UT's OL looked better in the 2nd half than first half. Hopefully they'll build on that even if UGA's front 7 are on par with OU's.

 

[OJ]

You sir... are a homer.

What does his sexuality have to do with it?

 

[sameolvol]

Are you sure you watched SC play Georgia because we absolutely destroyed them on the left side of the line. Wilds almost had 100 yards rushing on Georgia and davis had around 60. We gave up 1 sack on a all out blitz. I was unimpressed with Georgia's Defense as a whole. I believe you guy's can put up points. Stop Gurley enough and I believe you guys can take the win.

Easy there. The point I was making was that UGA's O line didn't show anything that would indicate they're comparable to OU. UGA fans are crowing (or barking) that their defense is as good as or better than OU's...and that's a joke. I was kind in not including the Vandy game the gamecocks stumbled out of, and, as I recall, SCe's O line showed a lot of talent with an ugly blend of inconsistency, and that is a take-away from the gains. Even Spurrier admitted they needed a lot of luck to win that one. I watched the entire game and get my local commentary from Rick Henry @WIS News in Columbia. You?:good!::good!:

 

[Perkins_Hall]

Good but not OU good

This. :thumbsup:

 

[TDawg]

One sign of honest debate is that there are disagreements about what facts mean. I've been on both sides here because I give my opinions sincerely whether they seem negative or positive.

Namecalling from a few that don't know how to handle someone disagreeing with them... isn't much of a concern.

Saying that UGA doesn't have talent in its front 7 is pretty much on par with UGA fans here dismissing how good OU's front 7 is... and... OU actually has a quality secondary too.

In the game? Want to be a little more specific there?

Who are those "experts"? Stinchcomb maybe? His homerism is pretty thinly veiled much of the time.

Is this sort of like the "everyone" believes Gurley is a generational RB claim earlier?

No not Stinchcomb and not Luginloser .. in fact, let's leave the BSPN folks out of this. And no, I have never really discounted that they have talent at OU, just that they are not a juggernaut in the front 7. They have mucho talent at the LB spots as well, depth wise they seem a little thin on the front line but they are Oklahoma so they have recruited well and have a great mind defensively starting from the HC spot. I enjoy civil college football discussions. It's the reason I come on here. Some just make the same comments without facts, without anything that is quantifiable or has any merit to it. If you don't agree with their snappy, snide statement, well, you're a Negavol if you're a vols fan or you're a douchebag if you're a rival fan.

 

[TDawg]

Easy there. The point I was making was that UGA's O line didn't show anything that would indicate they're comparable to OU. UGA fans are crowing (or barking) that their defense is as good as or better than OU's...and that's a joke. I was kind in not including the Vandy game the gamecocks stumbled out of, and, as I recall, SCe's O line showed a lot of talent with an ugly blend of inconsistency, and that is a take-away from the gains. Even Spurrier admitted they needed a lot of luck to win that one. I watched the entire game and get my local commentary from Rick Henry @WIS News in Columbia. You?:good!::good!:

I think until you get to the back of that defense, UGA is on par with OU defensively. The secondary is a work in progress. There is talent there but it is young, raw and has a new scheme to work from. Swann is that guy for us that is great one minute, then chasing a guy down the sideline the next.

 

[advancedrescue27]

Your wife can...

Lol nothing like reading all the post of people getting serious and upset, then see this! Your profile picture adds to it also

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Yeah, I went to ooltewah my freshman year of high school!

What year? I went there my freshman and sophomore year. Graduated in 05

 

[butchna]

And the mindset on this board is just oh so different than that right? Whatever. If someone comes in here with actual facts, even if it's another UT fan, they get blasted with crap like unintelligent name calling from Negavol to Douchebag. If you present actual matchup analysis based on facts, you get mocked if it didn't line up with UT winning a game.

People on this thread saying UGAs front 7 is not even close to OUs for example. It fits the typical thread narrative of "Well this OOC team beat us senseless so they must be the best at everything we will face this season." Seriously? There's a lot of people who know way more than we do about the game calling UGAs LB corp the best group of LBs in the game. But of course, OU has a much better front 7 with one standout player in that group being Eric Striker who isn't exactly a consensus type All-American. Yet Ramik Wilson is on virtually EVERY All-American list and most coaches around the league know he isn't even the best player in the LB group.

I read a UGA board where we actually know that we have to keep pressure on Worley to keep your 12 6'4" WRs from running wide open all over the field. We know we have to make yards in the running game to keep Mason from having too much pressure to win the game with his arm. You know, stuff that makes sense.

SO here's a thought. Let's let the game play out and hope for no injuries and have a good game to watch. Instead of the every week (yes, it happened quite often before the OU game even) "we gonna whoop dey azz" crap, use it after the game if you are able to pull one out.

You deserve better...good luck with that UGA board and all of your future endeavors...you never really contributed to this board...but you made up for it by being irrelevant. :salute:

 

[TDawg]

You deserve better...good luck with that UGA board and all of your future endeavors...you never really contributed to this board...but you made up for it by being irrelevant. :salute:

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

synthetic genius right there

 

[gogators13]

How long did it take you to Google that generic answer? To answer the OP question no Georgia's front 7 is not as good as OU. Anxious to see if we see some quick hitters in the passing game this week that aren't bubble screens

Trying to compare 7 guys on one team to 7 guys on another team is tough. OU has a better "D" as a whole compared to GA but when you start breaking "Ds" down than it's more about matchups and where guys lineup....

 

[Rooster1]

Trying to compare 7 guys on one team to 7 guys on another team is tough. OU has a better "D" as a whole compared to GA but when you start breaking "Ds" down than it's more about matchups and where guys lineup....

UGA's front 7 is in the same ballpark as OU's.

 

[sjt18]

No not Stinchcomb and not Luginloser .. in fact, let's leave the BSPN folks out of this. And no, I have never really discounted that they have talent at OU, just that they are not a juggernaut in the front 7.

Honestly. They have an outstanding and talented front 7. Until UT plays UGA, I don't know that they're better or not. But just at face value... they're definitely in the same league.

I didn't bring anyone into it. First one of you guys said that everyone considers Gurley a "generational RB". When I asked who other than UGA fans... not much of a response. No you have pretty much evaded my challenge about who considers UGA's LB's the "best" in football. I don't deny that UGA has talent. UT for the first time in awhile has good talent at LB. UF always does. Auburn does. Bama does. LSU does... It would be easier to count the teams that don't have quality LB's in the SEC than those that do.

Some just make the same comments without facts, without anything that is quantifiable or has any merit to it. If you don't agree with their snappy, snide statement, well, you're a Negavol if you're a vols fan or you're a douchebag if you're a rival fan.

I don't disagree with the last statement altogether but again that is vastly superior to the group-think you get in some places.

But you are guilty of the exact accusation you make in that first sentence. You have some fine players. I hope no one seriously doubts that. But when you want to declare players "the best" or "generational" then you need to give more than your say-so.

 

[landscapingvol]

You people keep forgetting that OU's d line man handled Bama most of that game and had their way against WVU the second half which is no easy team at Morgantown. We have the ability to play very well and very poorly that is what happens with young teams.

 

[ZippyMorocco]

UT currently has 2 of the top 3 tacklers in the SEC starting at LB.... and one of them ISN'T Maggitt who could start for any team in the SEC.

There is no basis to declare "best" at this point. It is purely subjective and when you come to an opponent's board proclaiming purely subjective opinions as ironclad facts.... you really shouldn't be surprised when people think your are an abject FOOL.

It also doesn't help you that you seem intent on writing UT's LB's off. They are playing very well and held an OU running attack that is certainly in UGA's league to less than 150 yds and well under 5 ypc.

I personally have said that UGA was the most talented team in the East. I still think you are. But you also still have Richt who seems to find ways to play down to competition and lose games he shouldn't. UT is better and further along than many of us thought they might be at this point. Jones and staff flat outcoached Richt and staff last year.

I'm not predicting a win. From the start of the season when predicting UT's final record this game along with OU and Bama was one I thought would be tough. But there are reasons to think UT has a chance.... and more of a chance than they had at OU.

I wasn't intending to write off UT's LBs. They are good. I was responding to a comment.

I didn't name UGA's LBs the best group, others have done that for me. The folks at SECN seem to think they are the best. So do most of the national people. UGA has weaknesses, but the front 7 isn't one.