Is Hendon the Heisman favorite?

[JoAllan]

You said Hooker is second behind Stroud who can have a Heisman moment in the Michigan game which hasn't happened yet. To this point. Stroud has done nothing I've seen to put him over Hooker. Hooker just took down Bama and has a phenomenal stats so far. I'm confused as to how you could place him behind Stroud with the assumption that Stroud will eventually beat out UM.

oh my goodness

I’m not sure you understand this thread or my post.

The thread is basically: who is the National front runner for the Heisman……..NOT who do “I” want it to be.

The Stroud Michigan game is to show that “if” Hooker is indeed 2nd Hooker has “more” opportunities to increase his stock.

Stroud basically has just one marquee game to make his case…….over all his regular games and stats.

Hooker can have 3 marquee opportunities, along with all the other games and stats…….which bodes well for Hooker if he makes the best of those games……which he has started off with a bang.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

I didn't say ESPN. I referred to the media as a whole. The award has it's biased regions and has for decades.

Nor did I say the media was ONLY ESPN. Stop convincing yourself the world is against us and just enjoy being good at football again for like 5 minutes.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

oh my goodness

I’m not sure you understand this thread or my post.

The thread is basically: who is the National front runner for the Heisman……..NOT who do “I” want it to be.

The Stroud Michigan game is to show that “if” Hooker is indeed 2nd Hooker has “more” opportunities to increase his stock.

Stroud basically has just one marquee game to make his case…….over all his regular games and stats.

Hooker can have 3 marquee opportunities, along with all the other games and stats…….which bodes well for Hooker if he makes the best of those games……which he has started off with a bang.

Clearly I'm not. Ok, not your opinion, but your projected opinion? You said you think Hooker is second, so explain who you think is first and how you possibly think they have a better claim to the award at this point.

 

[JoAllan]

You said Hooker is second behind Stroud who can have a Heisman moment in the Michigan game which hasn't happened yet. To this point. Stroud has done nothing I've seen to put him over Hooker. Hooker just took down Bama and has a phenomenal stats so far. I'm confused as to how you could place him behind Stroud with the assumption that Stroud will eventually beat out UM.

Look I made the case for Hooker via some of his stats…….read a few posts above I made.

“I” believe Hooker “should” be the Heisman front runner.

I believe he has the stats, the record and the moments as of now.

However Hooker is “probably” the 2nd favorite right now……..not my second, but second to those who vote.

 

[ETV]

Nor did I say the media was ONLY ESPN. Stop convincing yourself the world is against us and just enjoy being good at football again for like 5 minutes.

I'm expressing an opinion based on events that have occurred and have no theories that the media is against UT 24-7. My point was made and the voting bias in regions has been evident for quite some time. Stop trying to convince yourself that because someone makes a post regarding HH heisman chances, that they're a "negavol".

Moving on.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

His stats against who? Do you think Hooker would be less impressive if Tennessee was playing Ohio State’s schedule?

Seriously this. Only one team in the rear view for OSU still has a winning record and it’s Toledo. Only one team (Akron) has a losing record at this juncture from the vols previous 6 games.

 

[JoAllan]

Clearly I'm not. Ok, not your opinion, but your projected opinion? You said you think Hooker is second, so explain who you think is first and how you possibly think they have a better claim to the award at this point.

I personally don’t think Stroud has more of a claim……..read my stats post above.

However those who vote “probably” have Stroud ahead right now…….as he is the odds on favorite.

who knows their reasoning…….I can only guess they figure Tennessee will lose to Georgia and maybe he won’t have a good game…..I don’t know.

However OSU “should” go undefeated……as far as the odds go.

Their stats are similar. Stroud is slightly better in some, Hooker is definitely better in total yards per game. Stroud has a lot more passing TD’s right now.

Hooker made his case Saturday. He “should” be the front runner……..but he “probably” is second.

 

[DaddyChad]

Seriously this. Only one team in the rear view for OSU still has a winning record and it’s Toledo. Only one team (Akron) has a losing record at this juncture from the vols previous 6 games.

Exactly if it’s not going to matter who you play why not give it to some small school kid that puts up stupid numbers? Who you put up numbers against should matter just as much if not more than the numbers you put up.

 

[YankeeVol]

Tennessee has had multiple runner ups.

Majors
Shuler
Manning

I don't see that changing, even if Hooker puts up video game like numbers. Stroud will get a late season push from the media and if his game against Michigan is even average, with a win against them, it's his.

Even Bama didn't have a Heisman until 2009.

It's well overdue for Tennessee. If (and he will) Hooker keeps playing like he has, it's his and it's not even close.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

I personally don’t think Stroud has more of a claim……..read my stats post above.

However those who vote “probably” have Stroud ahead right now…….as he is the odds on favorite.

who knows their reasoning…….I can only guess they figure Tennessee will lose to Georgia and maybe he won’t have a good game…..I don’t know.

However OSU “should” go undefeated……as far as the odds go.

Their stats are similar. Stroud is slightly better in some, Hooker is definitely better in total yards per game. Stroud has a lot more passing TD’s right now.

Hooker made his case Saturday. He “should” be the front runner……..but he “probably” is second.

Alright, that somewhat makes sense, but maybe you should just start expressing your own opinion instead of the hypothetical opinion of hypothetical media members. We both think Hooker is the Heisman frontrunner. Maybe just own that?

 

[vavolfan6]

How many clutch plays has CJ Stroud had to make? Ohio state is running away from subpar opponents and they only have one ranked win. In that win Stroud only accounted for 2 TDs and the offense was limited to 21 points.

I'm more impressed with Bryce Young for how he has put his team on his back and made critical plays against good opponents.

But if you want to look at stats alone and you incorporate rushing stats, Hooker has comparable statistical impact as Young and Stroud.

Hooker 2100 yards, 18 TDs, 1 INT
Stroud 1700 yards, 24 TDs, 3 INT
Young 1800 yards, 19 TDs, 3 INT

But then again, Tennessee has played 4 top 25 teams. This included ending a top 20 non conference road losing streak since 2003, a 1-16 losing stretch against Florida, and a 15 game losing streak against Bama. So to me Hooker has the greater and more impactful contribution of the top three.

Beat Georgia and Hooker should be the clear favorite. Make it to and win the SEC championship...then stats should be an afterthought. There will be nothing the other two can do overcome the accomplishment of what Hooker did for Tennessee

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

You need a history lesson. In addition to almost every list out there has Stroud as their favorite. Hooker is a long shot.

Stroud because of stats alone. And it seems to be a lifetime achievement award this year. No heisman moment by carrying a team that can’t win games without him. Haskins, Fields and now Strout put up insane numbers in Day’s Offense. Then the NFL learns the hard way they are system QB like the Big 12 or PAC 12 QBs that do the same.

 

[perico]

I'm expressing an opinion based on events that have occurred and have no theories that the media is against UT 24-7. My point was made and the voting bias in regions has been evident for quite some time. Stop trying to convince yourself that because someone makes a post regarding HH heisman chances, that they're a "negavol".

Moving on.

If HH beats UGA, he’ll win it. Regional biases will have no real impact. The Big 10 hasn’t won a Heisman in 16 years. The PAC 12 has won 2 in that time period. The ACC has won 2, the Big 12 has won 4, and the SEC has won 8.

The Big Ten, if the race stays this way, will have more likely split ballots with both Stroud and Corum currently in the Top 3. The odds have Williams ahead of BY, which will negate any regional splits in the south if it stays that way.

 

[BUCCnVOLfan]

Yesss he is!