Is Hopson gone.....

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#177
MTSUDaff said:
You can continue these semantics all day long, but we, as fans, have been watching Hopson in games for three years, so i don't care what CCM meant. It's irrelevant to this conversation. In fact this is the first of anyone referencing any of his statements in this particular conversation. Why it was done to begin with makes no sense.

I appreciate your insight on hoops LawVol, but you are going down a road for no reason here... It's semantics like this that water down boards where honest discussions are trying to be had.

Going back and forth on what I meant, when I've now pointed out what I meant three times since the original statement, brings nothing to the conversation.

EDIT: And whether anyone here likes it or not, it's my opinion and it's certainly arguable. Not that it matters much, though, because in the end I imagine neither one of them will see a court in the NBA. But if you feel strongly that I am way off base with my opinion I suppose I should pipe down because you've proven yourself to be highly respected in college coaching circles with your hoops knowledge on X's and O's. Hence the reason you are posting on a Vols message board like the rest of us.
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Of course I disagreed with your assessment of Hopson vs Lofton.

On the other hand, :clapping:, for standing up to one of our SELF-annointed experts
 
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#178
First off....I hope he comes back because we dont have anyone on the team who will pick up the points he would score. I dont see any 3 people who will score 20 ppg combined other than Harris. I hope he comes back for his own sake as well. We all know that hes not going to hit it bigtime in the league just yet. He needs more time in college before he can play in the NBA, and i dont know if 1 more season will be enough. I see in his future either Uzbekistan or the D-League. I hope he comes back though, and i truly do wish him well.
 
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kidbourbon said:
Now you're just blatantly lying and trying to backtrack.

At no point in this thread was my argument directed to anything other than the narrow point of Hopson's athleticism (i.e. is he the best athlete in the draft). I mocked you because you responded to a post where I cited the opinion of NBA scouts on the question of Hopson's athleticism by referring to me as a "Hopson fluffer". The mocking was completely warranted, and I don't feel a bit bad about it.

Here is the conversation that actually took place:

(1) It started with me saying this:


(2) You responded to #1 by calling me a "Hopson fluffer" (post has been removed)

(3) ocho responded to #1 with the following ridiculous statement:


(4) therickbol responded to #1 with the following:


(5) I responded to #2 with a link to the Chad Ford article where he states that several scouts have told him that Hopson is the best athlete in the draft. I indciated to you that I would no longer be doing your research for you, and then I believe I mentioned something about a short bus (post was removed).

(6) I responded to #3 with the same link, but without any additional commentary about a short bus. This post remains intact (#128).

(7) I responded to #4 by referring to my above post that included the link.

(8) ocho responded to #6 with the following painfully moronic statement:


(9) therickbol responded to #7 with a similarly ridiculous post that ostensibly questioned the amount of weight that should be given to the opinions of NBA scouts:


(10) I responded to #8 with the following:


(11) I responded to #9 with the following:


(12) You then wrote the fictional post that I quoted and discussed at the very top.

Going forward, if you could stay on topic and try to refrain from referring to conversations that never happened, or happened (a) solely in the confines of your own head or (b) with your favorite teletubby.
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fighting MHF with MHF :)
 
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#181
Kidbourbon has to know that Hopson is an idiot if he enters the draft. He will not be even close to a lottery pick and the simple reasons can be summarized
1. He has never shown he can play defense.
2. He has never been productive in a half court offense.

Those are the two areas he can remedy if he comes back to UT, or he can get Jared Karnes to get him a contract overseas for being good at dunking. It may not end up being as lucrative as the contract Lofton gets for being great at shooting.
 
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#182
Who's saying Scotty will be a lottery pick?

1. Guy averaged 17 ppg last season and we didn't even run an offense.

2. Scotty can play defense, it's just a matter of him deciding to do so.

I just really don't think Bruce pushed Scotty all that much, same for some other guys that were always in the lineup despite their play. Scotty is capable of making a team in the NBA whether he comes back or not. Yes, Scotty has flaws in his game but an NBA staff should be able to correct them. It's all up to Scotty, I seriously doubt Scotty would float while trying to make an NBA team.

I do think if he came back he'd be much improved and/or dominant, but I really don't see why he straight up has to come back to make the league.
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TooLegit2Quit said:
Who's saying Scotty will be a lottery pick?

1. Guy averaged 17 ppg last season and we didn't even run an offense.

2. Scotty can play defense, it's just a matter of him deciding to do so.

I just really don't think Bruce pushed Scotty all that much, same for some other guys that were always in the lineup despite their play. Scotty is capable of making a team in the NBA whether he comes back or not. It's all up to Scotty, I seriously doubt Scotty would float while trying to make an NBA team.

I do think if he came back he'd be much improved and/or dominant, but I really don't see why he straight up has to come back to make the league.
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He isn't good enough to make any of the NBA rosters.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
Who's saying Scotty will be a lottery pick?

1. Guy averaged 17 ppg last season and we didn't even run an offense.

2. Scotty can play defense, it's just a matter of him deciding to do so.

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He averaged 17 points against defenders much weaker than anything he will see in the NBA. How did he perform against teams that had good defensive game plans for him? How about when he was guarded by NBA type defenders like Taylor from Vanderbilt? Defense is about intensity, quickness and anticipation. Contrary to popular belief, it is not just 'want to' at the NBA level. His 'want to' is not going to allow him to guard above average NBA 2 guards.
 
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therickbol said:
He averaged 17 points against defenders much weaker than anything he will see in the NBA. How did he perform against teams that had good defensive game plans for him? How about when he was guarded by NBA type defenders like Taylor from Vanderbilt? Defense is about intensity, quickness and anticipation. Contrary to popular belief, it is not just 'want to' at the NBA level. His 'want to' is not going to allow him to guard above average NBA 2 guards.
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So he's never going to play in the NBA then?
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#187
TooLegit2Quit said:
So he's never going to play in the NBA then?
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None of my posts say that. I think there is a possiblity he turns himself into a bench player in the NBA. But if we are talking possiblities, I think it is more likely he ends up making good money for a lot of years playing overseas.
 
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#188
TooLegit2Quit said:
So he's never going to play in the NBA then?
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I personally don't think so. Imagine Hopson with Kobe Bryant or Tony Allen defending him. Having your feet planted behind the 3 point line with your hands out doesn't cut it in the NBA.
 
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tr763 said:
if All-American Lofton can't make an NBA team then Hopson has no business.
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Hopson is 10 times the athlete Lofton is and is also 6 inches taller. Lofton can't make the NBA because the only thing he can do at an elite level is shoot, and he's only 6'1" and incapable of playing the point or creating his own shot.
 
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615 Vol said:
I personally don't think so. Imagine Hopson with Kobe Bryant or Tony Allen defending him. Having your feet planted behind the 3 point line with your hands out doesn't cut it in the NBA.
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So you assume he's going to play exactly the way he did at UT on his NBA team? I just can't imagine that with a new team and new coach.
 
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tr763 said:
if All-American Lofton can't make an NBA team then Hopson has no business.
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Lofton has skill, but just lacks everything he needs to be in the NBA. Scotty has everything he needs to be able to perform in the NBA, but with cruder skills.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
So you assume he's going to play exactly the way he did at UT on his NBA team? I just can't imagine that with a new team and new coach.
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It's going to be a while before he could really compete. Right now, Hopson probably couldn't get a shot off on those guys. But, he has the talent to improve his game enough to compete.
 
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#195
SGMVols said:
Hopson is 10 times the athlete Lofton is and is also 6 inches taller. Lofton can't make the NBA because the only thing he can do at an elite level is shoot, and he's only 6'1" and incapable of playing the point or creating his own shot.
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Unfortunately, the sad truth. If Hopson had an eighth of Lofton's work ethic and heart, he would have been a 1 and Done
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Kidbourbon has to know that Hopson is an idiot if he enters the draft. He will not be even close to a lottery pick and the simple reasons can be summarized
1. He has never shown he can play defense.
2. He has never been productive in a half court offense.

Those are the two areas he can remedy if he comes back to UT, or he can get Jared Karnes to get him a contract overseas for being good at dunking. It may not end up being as lucrative as the contract Lofton gets for being great at shooting.
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So he has the choice of getting paid while improving against talented European players or improving in college?
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