IS Jones hurt?

#51
#51
FrozenLVFan said:
You've been on Massengale's case for months, complaining that she couldn't possibly be legitimately injured, and now you get in one last dig, and say "whatever"? Unbelievable. :banghead2:
Click to expand...

Let me add my head to the cause:banghead2:
{An ironic emoticon given the topic}

One can hope that information about Massengale's injury might cease this speculation and innuendo that it somehow was not a "real" injury or whatever.....

Ariel's eyes in the accompanying picture tell the story:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lady-vols-massengale-eager-comeback-212853555--ncaaw.html
 
Last edited:
#52
#52
No problem at all. Hasn't it been said she's had a history with concussion. Could be why they were cautious and kept her out.
 
#53
#53
What gets me in that film clip is the way she just suddenly goes limp in mid air and collapses. What a freak thing to happen, with long-lasting effects.
 
#54
#54
Smallvol#1 said:
PLEASE tell me you meant to use blue font on the above post.
Click to expand...
No, I actually meant what I said. The accusations that I do not know what I am talking about are, taken with a grain of salt as the saying goes. No I did not say that a injury could not take place with some kung fu martial arts move as some have indicated. Read what I said. I referred to my working with athletes and I never recalled a concussion caused by a hand to the head. The video of Ariel is quite disturbing in the instances that she probably should not be playing contact sports if she is so injury prone. NO, NO, NO I think she is a wonderful person and I respect everything she has done for the Lady Vols. I have not and am not on her case, just the opposite. My whole premise in this blog was to give my opinion on why women in sports need upper body strength. Some on here just want to start an argument for argument sake. JMO:vava:
 
#55
#55
PineyBluff Vol said:
No, I actually meant what I said. The accusations that I do not know what I am talking about are, taken with a grain of salt as the saying goes. No I did not say that a injury could not take place with some kung fu martial arts move as some have indicated. Read what I said. I referred to my working with athletes and I never recalled a concussion caused by a hand to the head. The video of Ariel is quite disturbing in the instances that she probably should not be playing contact sports if she is so injury prone. NO, NO, NO I think she is a wonderful person and I respect everything she has done for the Lady Vols. I have not and am not on her case, just the opposite. My whole premise in this blog was to give my opinion on why women in sports need upper body strength. Some on here just want to start an argument for argument sake. JMO:vava:
Click to expand...


No, this is not really an argument nor are the comments by myself or FrozenLVFan "accusations." In all due respect, you are indeed misinformed about concussions and concussion protocols and are stubbornly ignoring information that has been offered to you. I say this not to get into a pi##ing contest but because you indicated that you have managed athletes with concussions (in some capacity).

As for upper body strength, there is some belief in the sports medicine and athletic training community that strengthening neck muscles can the lower risk of concussion because it limits the degree to which an athlete's heads snaps back on contact. This theory does not have a lot of data to back it up but, like chicken soup, it can't hurt.

Your emphasis on upper body strength seems tied to your belief that concussions are only caused by floor contact and hence if athletes don't hit the floor, viola! no concussions. [By the way, core strength and lower body strength are much more essential to sustaining balance after contact]

But, I have seen athletes concussed by head to head contact, head to ball contact (mishandled headers in soccer), head to knee contact, and head to shoulder contact. In the case of Massengale and her head to hand collision, again it is all about angles and force vectors. You may have noticed that she has had numerous collisions and falls to the floor this season with no concussions. In the game last year, unfortunately, the force of her motion going forward and the angle of the hit in the opposing direction was just right (or wrong depending on how you look at it) to create a concussive impact.

I understand this is a message board and the code is all about macho posturing and never admitting that you could be mistaken or have misunderstood a complex issue. Fine, defend your "women get concussions only because they fall down" opinion to your heart's content. But, for chrissakes if you have responsibilities to other athletes as a coach etc., please find a seminar on concussion management or at least do some reading on the topic.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#56
#56
PineyBluff Vol said:
No, I actually meant what I said. The accusations that I do not know what I am talking about are, taken with a grain of salt as the saying goes. No I did not say that a injury could not take place with some kung fu martial arts move as some have indicated. Read what I said. I referred to my working with athletes and I never recalled a concussion caused by a hand to the head. The video of Ariel is quite disturbing in the instances that she probably should not be playing contact sports if she is so injury prone. NO, NO, NO I think she is a wonderful person and I respect everything she has done for the Lady Vols. I have not and am not on her case, just the opposite. My whole premise in this blog was to give my opinion on why women in sports need upper body strength. Some on here just want to start an argument for argument sake. JMO:vava:
Click to expand...

I reread your previous post, and it is copied and pasted below. Bolds are the only difference; I did them. I could not find a post referring to kung fu.

Originally Posted by PineyBluff Vol View Post
A hand to the face does not cause the brain to bounce from one side of the skull to the other. Now the hand to the face may cause the player to change direction and make contact with something hard (example) floor. I have dealt with many athletic injuries and many concussions, in my years of dealing with these, I cannot every remember a concussion caused by a hand. By the way, the fist is not a hand.
 
#57
#57
None of us or qualified to judge the impact of a open or closed hand hit to the face. Its impact can differ from person to person. Some people are concussion prone while others can take the same hit without feeling the effects of a concussion. We owe it to these young people to give them the best care possible. I am very concerned by the length of a few of our players injuries but what can you do, you have to depend upon doctors and coaches' decisions. I want to see Tucker play and see if she is the real deal but just maybe she is not mentally ready to play in game type situations. Right now we seem to be doing okay especially if we continue to play the way we did against the Aggies.
 
#58
#58
teacherdean said:
None of us or qualified to judge the impact of a open or closed hand hit to the face. Its impact can differ from person to person. Some people are concussion prone while others can take the same hit without feeling the effects of a concussion. We owe it to these young people to give them the best care possible. I am very concerned by the length of a few of our players injuries but what can you do, you have to depend upon doctors and coaches' decisions. I want to see Tucker play and see if she is the real deal but just maybe she is not mentally ready to play in game type situations. Right now we seem to be doing okay especially if we continue to play the way we did against the Aggies.
Click to expand...

Teach, Jannah is medically cleared to play but still lacks confidence in her knee. Jasmine is day to day, but Holly does not seem to expect her back very quickly. That's paraphrasing what Holly said but I think pretty accurate. I can understand Jasmine, I had a broken leg/torn ligaments, and it takes a while to feel you can trust it. No matter what the orthopedic surgeon is saying:) As to Jasmine, my understanding is concussion treatment is very tightly controlled now (understandably) and is pretty much in the MDs' hands. They will probably want to very sure all is OK before she will be cleared to return to the floor. And...I'm with you, I look forward to the day ALL of our Ladys will be able to play.
 
#59
#59
madtownvol said:
No, this is not really an argument nor are the comments by myself or FrozenLVFan "accusations." In all due respect, you are indeed misinformed about concussions and concussion protocols and are stubbornly ignoring information that has been offered to you. I say this not to get into a pi##ing contest but because you indicated that you have managed athletes with concussions (in some capacity).

As for upper body strength, there is some belief in the sports medicine and athletic training community that strengthening neck muscles can the lower risk of concussion because it limits the degree to which an athlete's heads snaps back on contact. This theory does not have a lot of data to back it up but, like chicken soup, it can't hurt.

Your emphasis on upper body strength seems tied to your belief that concussions are only caused by floor contact and hence if athletes don't hit the floor, viola! no concussions. [By the way, core strength and lower body strength are much more essential to sustaining balance after contact]

But, I have seen athletes concussed by head to head contact, head to ball contact (mishandled headers in soccer), head to knee contact, and head to shoulder contact. In the case of Massengale and her head to hand collision, again it is all about angles and force vectors. You may have noticed that she has had numerous collisions and falls to the floor this season with no concussions. In the game last year, unfortunately, the force of her motion going forward and the angle of the hit in the opposing direction was just right (or wrong depending on how you look at it) to create a concussive impact.

I understand this is a message board and the code is all about macho posturing and never admitting that you could be mistaken or have misunderstood a complex issue. Fine, defend your "women get concussions only because they fall down" opinion to your heart's content. But, for chrissakes if you have responsibilities to other athletes as a coach etc., please find a seminar on concussion management or at least do some reading on the topic.
Click to expand...
MadtownVol...Appropriate name by the way...If I have made you uncomfortable with my opinion, I apologize.
I am retired from athletics for now on 15 years. So I hope you can see I was working in the early stages of concussion and cause and effect from such concussions. I went the extra step and got my EMT certification to go along with numerous athletic training graduate level classes, on my on dime, to help me prepare athletes that play on Friday nights. I understand that the advancements in medicine have produced light speed results and for this I am grateful.
I was speaking from personal experience and in no way would I ever want any athlete injured, especially in that delicate organ attached to our shoulders. With this said, once again, please forgive my lack of explaning my position on this subject.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#60
#60
any word on Jones ? I hate that this has happened to her,but i am glad that she is being given the time to recuperate from it ,hopefully she will be able to come back and play
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top