Is Obama really a socialist?

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I'm afraid I don't understand why so many are calling him that....

Is it because he wants to increase taxes on the rich?

And if increasing taxes on one group while decreasing them for another is socialism then couldn't every tax plan ever proposed by any presidential candidate be considered as such?

I'm not being a smarta** or asking retorical questions here...I promise....I'm looking for a serious explanation to why it has become popular to call him not only a socialist but also a Marxist

Please...I would appreciate it if those of you who normally take any opportunity you get to tee off on Obama could just refrain from that...

If you don't have an meaningful explanation to this please don't post here...this could honestly effect my vote
 
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He specifically said he wants to spread wealth around. He also plans to give checks directly to people that don't pay taxes that will mostly be funded by the top 5% of income earners.
 
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kptvol said:
He specifically said he wants to spread wealth around. He also plans to give checks directly to people that don't pay taxes that will mostly be funded by the top 5% of income earners.
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But don't we already do that?

I mean aren't you talking about welfare...which has been around for a while now
 
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Yahoo has an article right now answering this exact question. Can't link it from my mobile, but it's not very hard to find. I believe it was from the Christian Science Monitor.
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blamie said:
But don't we already do that?

I mean aren't you talking about welfare...which has been around for a while now
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To an extent, yes. The only difference is he is taking money directly away from Peter to pay a few Paul's. He is expanding on an idea already proven to turn a segment of the population into dependents of the state for generations.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Yahoo has an article right now answering this exact question. Can't link it from my mobile, but it's not very hard to find. I believe it was from the Christian Science Monitor.
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I appreciate it...I was hoping you would post...I think it's pretty obvious how you feel about him but I still think you know as much if not more about this than anyone on here
 
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KB5252 said:
To an extent, yes. The only difference is he is taking money directly away from Peter to pay a few Paul's. He is expanding on an idea already proven to turn a segment of the population into dependents of the state for generations.
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Well...I have definitely never been a fan of welfare...

But what would be the difference between Obama and McCain on this...since I doubt welfare will go away regardless of who is POTUS
 
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He is now using the term 'economic justice' in talking about the SC. That's patently un-American and sure as heck shouldn't step foot near the courts.

Court imposed wealth redistribution is as socialist as anything in history and would make FDR's welfare plan turned disaster look like a great idea.

'Bottom up economics' driven by gov't intervention, as Obama describes it, is also as socialist as it can possibly be. No hyperbole there. That idea is the root of socialism - equality of financial outcomes.
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allvol123 said:
Yes, problem is he wants to do it at an even greater pace. As OE says, these people are all puke.
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I consider myself a compassionate person...but I have to agree...nothing pisses me off more than stories about people abusing the welfare system
 
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BigPapaVol said:
He is now using the term 'economic justice' in talking about the SC. That's patently un-American and sure as heck shouldn't step foot near the courts.

Court imposed wealth redistribution is as socialist as anything in history and would make FDR's welfare plan turned disaster look like a great idea.
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What is SC? I saw someone post about SCOTUS and I didn't know what it was...Sorry...I haven't hung around here enough to pick up on all abbreviations...
 
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blamie said:
Well...I have definitely never been a fan of welfare...

But what would be the difference between Obama and McCain on this...since I doubt welfare will go away regardless of who is POTUS
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Entitlements will not go away any time soon. As we have seen any time you offer help for an extended period of time people become use to it and pretty soon expect it, hence the term "entitlement".

Neither candidate will get rid of it, Obama is just using this to get votes from lower and middle class voters. He is pandering and if he does follow through with it he will be basically expanding on an already proven bad idea.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
He is now using the term 'economic justice' in talking about the SC. That's patently un-American and sure as heck shouldn't step foot near the courts.

Court imposed wealth redistribution is as socialist as anything in history and would make FDR's welfare plan turned disaster look like a great idea.
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economic justice eh? I don't like the sounds of that at all..What is wrong with this man?
 
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blamie said:
What is SC? I saw someone post about SCOTUS and I didn't know what it was...Sorry...I haven't hung around here enough to pick up on all abbreviations...
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Yes, it's the Supreme Court.
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blamie said:
I consider myself a compassionate person...but I have to agree...nothing pisses me off more than stories about people abusing the welfare system
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As am I. I don't mind paying to help people pick themselves back up after they fall. I just don't want to pay for them for the rest of their lives.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
He is now using the term 'economic justice' in talking about the SC. That's patently un-American and sure as heck shouldn't step foot near the courts.

Court imposed wealth redistribution is as socialist as anything in history and would make FDR's welfare plan turned disaster look like a great idea.

'Bottom up economics' driven by gov't intervention, as Obama describes it, is also as socialist as it can possibly be. No hyperbole there. That idea is the root of socialism - equality of financial outcomes.
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So...Obama's plan of cutting taxes for the middle class and increasing them for the upper class is meant specifically for goals such as the wealth redistribution you are talking about?
 
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blamie said:
What is SC? I saw someone post about SCOTUS and I didn't know what it was...Sorry...I haven't hung around here enough to pick up on all abbreviations...
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Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS).
 
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KB5252 said:
Entitlements will not go away any time soon. As we have seen any time you offer help for an extended period of time people become use to it and pretty soon expect it, hence the term "entitlement".

Neither candidate will get rid of it, Obama is just using this to get votes from lower and middle class voters. He is pandering and if he does follow through with it he will be basically expanding on an already proven bad idea.
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As am I. I don't mind paying to help people pick themselves back up after they fall. I just don't want to pay for them for the rest of their lives.
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I have to agree...I've seen it too many times...

You have those that initially want to pick themselves up but get used to the handouts and never proceed with getting back on their own feet....then you have those you are taking advantage of it from the beginning....and unfortunately those two groups are a very large portion of welfare recipients...

So what I'm getting from most of these posts is that Obama has plans of kicking welfare up a notch and McCain doesn't...is that accurate?
 
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blamie said:
I'm afraid I don't understand why so many are calling him that....

Is it because he wants to increase taxes on the rich?

And if increasing taxes on one group while decreasing them for another is socialism then couldn't every tax plan ever proposed by any presidential candidate be considered as such?

I'm not being a smarta** or asking retorical questions here...I promise....I'm looking for a serious explanation to why it has become popular to call him not only a socialist but also a Marxist

Please...I would appreciate it if those of you who normally take any opportunity you get to tee off on Obama could just refrain from that...

If you don't have an meaningful explanation to this please don't post here...this could honestly effect my vote
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Blamie, McCain was asked just yesterday if he thought Obama was a socialist and he said no. Unfortunately those that follow him will grab on to anything that floats and ride it through the rapids.

Obama is being accused of socialism because he wants to roll back tax cuts on the wealthiest 5% of the nation. Which will in all likelyhood never happen IMO. Raising taxes in an economic crisis is political suicide, nevertheless, that's what he says he is going to do. Anyone who thinks that is socialism should look at the EIC, Social Security ect. ect. and to which party started many of those systems.

Fact is, McCain and his camp know Obama isn't a socialist, they are simply in desperation mode and will attempt just about anything to try and get him elected. Too little. Too late.
 
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blamie said:
I'm afraid I don't understand why so many are calling him that....

Is it because he wants to increase taxes on the rich?

And if increasing taxes on one group while decreasing them for another is socialism then couldn't every tax plan ever proposed by any presidential candidate be considered as such?

I'm not being a smarta** or asking retorical questions here...I promise....I'm looking for a serious explanation to why it has become popular to call him not only a socialist but also a Marxist

Please...I would appreciate it if those of you who normally take any opportunity you get to tee off on Obama could just refrain from that...

If you don't have an meaningful explanation to this please don't post here...this could honestly effect my vote
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Easy. BHO makes no secret of stating that he attended many socialist conferences during his time at Occcidental and Columbia. He also is on record saying that individual advancement leads to the collective decline.

BHO believes firmly in wealth redistribution. He also believes firmly that charities should be administered by the government because, to paraphrase, 'Churches only pay lip service to charitable causes'.

BHO wants to nationalize anything and everything he can in America. His initiatives if he is to win the election: nationalize healthcare, punitively regulate, and nationalize, the free market that the US practices, effectively eliminate First Amendment rights with the Fairness Doctrine, and force punitive taxes on American corporations that outsource and offshore.

BHO's least socialist of all his policies is his proposal for personal income taxes...which, shockingly, is an incredible form of wealth redistribution, laden with tax credits which BHO has actually stated, after the second debate, will result in the Federal Government sending paychecks to those who already DO NOT pay any taxes.
 
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I think I have a much better understanding of it now...

Obama isn't a socialist per se....but he favors wealth redistribution in the form of welfare much more than McCain...

What it comes down to is that I kind of understood some were calling him a socialist because of his stance on welfare but I didn't understand why because welfare has been around for a long time...

So what you all are saying is that the "socialist" moniker that is being placed on Obama is due to the fact that he intends on beefing up the welfare system much more than any president before him?
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Blamie, McCain was asked just yesterday if he thought Obama was a socialist and he said no. Unfortunately those that follow him will grab on to anything that floats and ride it through the rapids.

Obama is being accused of socialism because he wants to roll back tax cuts on the wealthiest 5% of the nation. Which will in all likelyhood never happen IMO. Raising taxes in an economic crisis is political suicide, nevertheless, that's what he says he is going to do. Anyone who thinks that is socialism should look at the EIC, Social Security ect. ect. and to which party started many of those systems.

Fact is, McCain and his camp know Obama isn't a socialist, they are simply in desperation mode and will attempt just about anything to try and get him elected. Too little. Too late.
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you have no idea what you're talking about. McCain's comments don't remotely reflect what he truly believes. He's not going to say something that would be seen as that blatantly partisan.

The tax on the top 5% and cut to the middle class is pure lie and tax "rebates" to non-remitters is only the tip of his socialist platform.
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BigPapaVol said:
you have no idea what you're talking about. McCain's comments don't remotely reflect what he truly believes. He's not going to say something that would be seen as that blatantly partisan.

The tax on the top 5% and cut to the middle class is pure lie and tax "rebates" to non-remitters is only the tip of his socialist platform.
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BPV...what in your opinion are the main things Obama plans to do that you consider forms of socialism?
 
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