Is Obama really a socialist?

#51
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BigPapaVol said:
you apparently missed the part about the neocons on this site. The portion you cited was the only part worth the time it took to read it. The remainder was just weakly done partisan trash.
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No, I saw the whole post and the only part that is questionable is "it's overrun with Neocons", the rest of his post is dead on
 
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#52
#52
BigPapaVol said:
you apparently missed the part about the neocons on this site. The portion you cited was the only part worth the time it took to read it. The remainder was just weakly done partisan trash.
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Why? Am I wrong? Whatever you want to call yourselves, republicans, conservatives, neo cons - this site is flooded with you, that can't be mistaken. I lie somewhere in the middle personally and identify with the Libertarian party more than either of the two primary parties. Bob Barr is not the right guy to lead this country though, that much I think is obvious.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Why? Am I wrong? Whatever you want to call yourselves, republicans, conservatives, neo cons - this site is flooded with you, that can't be mistaken. I lie somewhere in the middle personally and identify with the Libertarian party more than either of the two primary parties. Bob Barr is not the right guy to lead this country though, that much I think is obvious.
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there aren't any neocons on this site, from what I've seen.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
there aren't any neocons on this site, from what I've seen.
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I honestly haven't dove into the political forums frequently enough to form an opinion on that. There are a lot of them in politics though, that's for sure. You don't have a true conservative in office or on the ticket IMO.
 
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MystifyingVol said:
I have an idea. Everyone who thinks their taxes are too low, why don't you just volunteer to pay more? For those of us who think our taxes are too high, tell you what, if you guys pay more, I'll be happy to stay at steady state.
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+1
 
#56
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A lot of Neo-cons are voting for Obama so I guess I used too broad of a brush when using that term.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
You don't have a true conservative in office or on the ticket IMO.
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I agree with that.

I think you'll find that most around here aren't after a true conservative. Most want a fiscal conservative with a strong foreign relations history.

Bush was a social conservative, about which few care, and a fiscal disaster. Most here don't ever want to see something of his nature again.

The neocon hawk thing is what it is. There aren't many of those on this site.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I agree with that.

I think you'll find that most around here aren't after a true conservative. Most want a fiscal conservative with a strong foreign relations history.

Bush was a social conservative, about which few care, and a fiscal disaster. Most here don't ever want to see something of his nature again.

The neocon hawk thing is what it is. There aren't many of those on this site.
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Which is why I wish I could vote for Ron Paul in this election. I think his ideas are ahead of his time. Perhaps we will be at that point sometime in the near future.
 
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Most guys in this forum vote for who best serves their interests. That being the case they have chosen sides for this presidential race and the insults to the other side start flying.

Thats how the Political forum rolls, you marxist a$$ :)
 
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MontereyVol said:
Most guys in this forum vote for who best serves their interests. That being the case they have chosen sides for this presidential race and the insults to the other side start flying.

Thats how the Political forum rolls, you marxist a$$ :)
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I'll assume you're bright enough not to listen to a Naval officer.
 
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SURFSIDEBEACHVOL said:
How can "Do your own research and come to your own conclusion" possibly be considered bad advice?
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I was being a smartass partly. The above is good advice but there are some really intelligent people on here, intelligent enough that it is not a bad idea to learn from some of them.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Most guys in this forum vote for who best serves their interests. That being the case they have chosen sides for this presidential race and the insults to the other side start flying.

Thats how the Political forum rolls, you marxist a$$ :)
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I would say that is true and false of all depending on how you define best interests.

Example:

If Count Baracula is being truthful on his tax plan then I will benefit financially in the short term. (is that in my best interests?)

Count Baracula's economic and political philosophies are wrong for America as I see it (is that in my best interests?)

See the problem?
 
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volinbham said:
I would say that is true and false of all depending on how you define best interests.

Example:

If Count Baracula is being truthful on his tax plan then I will benefit financially in the short term. (is that in my best interests?)

Count Baracula's economic and political philosophies are wrong for America as I see it (is that in my best interests?)

See the problem?
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You're the problem.
 
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#66
You guys are funny. :)

I personally wouldn't listen to anyone on this site for my political education. You can learn things, sure, but the bias is overwhelming on both sides.
 
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I wouldn't call Count Baracula a socialist but his policies views take us closer to socialism than we've seen in a long time and maybe ever in our history. My bigger concern is that people are buying into his views, embracing them and thanking him for it. That is the real concern. If it were just him, I'd say we could swing back out of it but given the comments of his supporters I wonder which direction this country will ultimately go towards.
 
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volinbham said:
I would say that is true and false of all depending on how you define best interests.

Example:

If Count Baracula is being truthful on his tax plan then I will benefit financially in the short term. (is that in my best interests?)

Count Baracula's economic and political philosophies are wrong for America as I see it (is that in my best interests?)

See the problem?
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I too would see the benefit in the short term. I happen to think Obama's plans could be really bad for the long term, my family has to live here after I am gone, I want things to better for them.
 
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KB5252 said:
I too would see the benefit in the short term. I happen to think Obama's plans could be really bad for the long term, my family has to live here after I am gone, I want things to better for them.
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I don't see any benefits long or short. Sure, my taxes might be lowered, but my costs will increase. Obama is planning massive tax increases on corporations. When you make it more expensive for a company to do business, the end result is higher prices for the products they sell.

Taxes aside, Obama wants to eliminate the secret ballot for union representation. Pelosi and Reid support the Employee Free Choice act as well. Strengthening the unions in this way is very Marx-like and personally, I want nothing to do with a union. As a truck driver, I know the Teamsters' Union is one of the most corrupt unions in the country and I have no intention of signing one of their cards should one be handed to me.
 
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#75
kptvol said:
Learning things = education.
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You can learn things from the media too, but are you going to let them tell you who to vote for?

The anonymity the internet provides brings out radical views in people that aren't always fairly representative of the candidate they are endorsing. It's a bad place to try and figure out who to vote for.
 
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