Is obesity a large problem in American?

#26
#26
Very, very brief summary of my views on this...

1. Cut out the damn corn subsidies, HFCS is in freaking everything, and yes enough will make you fat
2. It is an absolute fact that obesity and socioeconomic status are linked, take any poor black or Hispanic neighborhood in the country and I bet you'd have to pass literally a dozen fast food restaurants and corner stores to get to one grocer. Introduce district or county-based, revenue-neutral measures to incentivise grocers to open up shop in low-income neighborhoods.
3. Don't ban happy meals or whatever, don't tax the food extra; information is all that's needed, any restaurant chain with more than a couple dozen locations in any given area has to make calorie information readily apparent on their order menus.
4. Simple, easy to understand literature on general guidelines for what constitutes a healthy diet, even door to door info.

There's a ton more BS wrong with how we get our food, Monsanto, etc. but that's a whole nother can of worms.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
I mainly think it's a problem because chicks that were considered fat when I was younger are now considered "healthy", "curvy", or some other euphemistic nonsense. They need to start eating some damn salads with bland dressing and hitting the outdoor track in the summer!
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Rubenesque?
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Yes. Are you fat, gs?
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Nope, you?

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BearCat204 said:
Why? They have their hand in just about every other thing that is in our lives. Take marijuana for instance.
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utgibbs said:
It's a very difficult question, but democracy should be doing something about the problem. Of course, the problem requires the conquest and usurpation of bourgeois culture.
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Cut food stamps??

utgibbs said:
Wait a minute, you are straight up bourgeoisie, aren't you, NEO?
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I think he's straight but don't think he is French
at all.

milohimself said:
There's a ton more BS wrong with how we get our food, Monsanto, etc. but that's a whole nother can of worms.
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I thought Wendy's quit using worms?

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#29
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milohimself said:
Very, very brief summary of my views on this...

1. Cut out the damn corn subsidies, HFCS is in freaking everything, and yes enough will make you fat
2. It is an absolute fact that obesity and socioeconomic status are linked, take any poor black or Hispanic neighborhood in the country and I bet you'd have to pass literally a dozen fast food restaurants and corner stores to get to one grocer. Introduce district or county-based, revenue-neutral measures to incentivise grocers to open up shop in low-income neighborhoods.
3. Don't ban happy meals or whatever, don't tax the food extra; information is all that's needed, any restaurant chain with more than a couple dozen locations in any given area has to make calorie information readily apparent on their order menus.
4. Simple, easy to understand literature on general guidelines for what constitutes a healthy diet, even door to door info.

There's a ton more BS wrong with how we get our food, Monsanto, etc. but that's a whole nother can of worms.
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Right on. I think I am going to research this Monsanto. Is it a preservative?
 
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#30
Monsanto's corporate logo is in the encyclopedia next to the entry for crony capitalism.
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therealUT said:
Is the same guy who was praising Pringles now deriding processed food?
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I just said they were the best processed fried gnocchi. It wouldn't bother me a stitch if we imposed a supertax on them. Although I would prefer we break the unsustainable and anti-Earth monoculture agriculture monopoly + subsidies. Let's not mistake the knife for the assassin.
 
#34
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milohimself said:
Very, very brief summary of my views on this...

1. Cut out the damn corn subsidies, HFCS is in freaking everything, and yes enough will make you fat
There's a ton more BS wrong with how we get our food, Monsanto, etc. but that's a whole nother can of worms.
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ADM, the bagmen for Watergate, might be owned by Satan, they are so anti-human.

You raise a lot of additional good points, milo.
 
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NEOCON said:
You got a society ran by the bourgeoisie and you get this crap. Cheese doodles for everyone.

When will you learn that when the bourgeoisie lead bad things happen?
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I fixed your post to actually reflect the real world outside the back door. Even Che in Cuba mistook the knife for the assassin when he left the sugar to rot in the fields.

These are the fruits of bourgeois culture. The mass of citizens have been educated and trained to consume. They have not had any authentic voice as a citizen (with all the attendant responsibility) they have watched their economy hollowed out by neoliberal dogma, they have lived under the shadow of endless conflict and been fed a diet of HFCS and fear, and they have watched the real world outside the back door become impoverished by the relentless pursuit of bourgeois rationality.

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utgibbs said:
This absolutely SHOULD NOT be left alone by policymakers, but what should they do?

Bourgeois culture has created a obesogenic environment - an anti-human living arrangement. The suburbs are an invention by the bourgeoisie, necessary reservoir to grow and store excess capital - a fact prevalent throughout Late Capitalism. In addition, it has created a flow of dirt cheap, monoculture food inputs (hard to call it food) filled with calories, devoid of nutrition, and marketed to the poor.

What should the government do? Subsidize school meals with fruit and veg vice monoculture agriculture? Place a supertax on processed foods? Institute a National Health Service? Place a supertax on petrol? Conscript the morbidly obese into camps?

It's a very difficult question, but democracy should be doing something about the problem. Of course, the problem requires the conquest and usurpation of bourgeois culture.

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Your buzhwa idiocy followed Capital as the driver of fatasses, then saying the govt should be involved. What if we stopped the lunacy of absolving personal responsibility, quit providing lifelines for the lazy and sorry and ceased the further stupidity of providing free medical care for them? Is that what you mean my buzhwa and Capital?
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milohimself said:
Very, very brief summary of my views on this...

1. Cut out the damn corn subsidies, HFCS is in freaking everything, and yes enough will make you fat
2. It is an absolute fact that obesity and socioeconomic status are linked, take any poor black or Hispanic neighborhood in the country and I bet you'd have to pass literally a dozen fast food restaurants and corner stores to get to one grocer. Introduce district or county-based, revenue-neutral measures to incentivise grocers to open up shop in low-income neighborhoods.
3. Don't ban happy meals or whatever, don't tax the food extra; information is all that's needed, any restaurant chain with more than a couple dozen locations in any given area has to make calorie information readily apparent on their order menus.
4. Simple, easy to understand literature on general guidelines for what constitutes a healthy diet, even door to door info.

There's a ton more BS wrong with how we get our food, Monsanto, etc. but that's a whole nother can of worms.
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We all pass mountains of fast food restaurants and we all pass by hordes of fat makers in the grocery store too. It's an educatio problem for sure, but it's also willful negligence on the part of the vast majority. Most fat people know exactly why they are there. Most are unwilling to address the problem because it's hard or might require personal discipline.

How many people you see running in these fat hoods you're describing?
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BigPapaVol said:
Your buzhwa idiocy followed Capital as the driver of fatasses, then saying the govt should be involved. What if we stopped the lunacy of absolving personal responsibility, quit providing lifelines for the lazy and sorry and ceased the further stupidity of providing free medical care for them? Is that what you mean my buzhwa and Capital?
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I'm all for personal responsibility.

Let's hold ADM accountable. :)
 
#39
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milohimself said:
2. It is an absolute fact that obesity and socioeconomic status are linked, take any poor black or Hispanic neighborhood in the country and I bet you'd have to pass literally a dozen fast food restaurants and corner stores to get to one grocer. Introduce district or county-based, revenue-neutral measures to incentivise grocers to open up shop in low-income neighborhoods.
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you're kinda going at it backwards

Obesity: Access to supermarkets doesn't improve diets, study finds - Los Angeles Times

Better access to supermarkets — long touted as a way to curb obesity in low-income neighborhoods — doesn't improve people's diets, according to new research. The study, which tracked thousands of people in several large cities for 15 years, found that people didn't eat more fruits and vegetables when they had supermarkets available in their neighborhoods.
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Coming from the 5th most obese county in the country. . .

In my view the role of government in combating obesity is to do the following:
1. Continue to provide the parks and recreational opportunities that give people healthy active options
2. Provide information and ensure the accuracy of the information that is provided by private enterprises
3. Support the development of healthy lifestyles by insisting on physical fitness programs, recess, health classes and sports in our schools
4. Not use school lunch programs as dumping grounds for government purchased/subsidized food stuffs.
 
#41
#41
why is this being put on the gov't? I damn sure wasn't overweight as a kid and it's not because Reagan was working hard for me
 
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utvolpj said:
why is this being put on the gov't? I damn sure wasn't overweight as a kid and it's not because Reagan was working hard for me
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I'm not really sure. I think maybe it's because a lot of people see this as an epidemic. Not gov'ts problem tho - its on the parents.
 
#43
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KiffinKiller said:
I'm not really sure. I think maybe it's because a lot of people see this as an epidemic. Not gov'ts problem tho - its on the parents.
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I agree and didn't mean to imply in my answer that I thought this was the government's problem. There is a role, especially at the local government level (in Pa we have an excessive amount of local govenment), but overall this is a family issue. The kids I see who are obese have parents who are either: genetically obese, focused on their own selfish pursuits and/or ignorant about the true facts of deep fried twinkies, pretzel bread sandwiches and 60 oz cokes.
 
#44
#44
I still don't understand why there's a role for gov't even at the local level. In no way should the govt be telling people how to raise their kids
 
#45
#45
Ignorance is a part of it - but not a viable excuse anymore. There is educational material everywhere and it is, quite frankly, pushed on everyone through the media. If the obesity trend continues - it is because of lazy and spoiled pareting.
 
#46
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utvolpj said:
why is this being put on the gov't? I damn sure wasn't overweight as a kid and it's not because Reagan was working hard for me
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utvolpj said:
I still don't understand why there's a role for gov't even at the local level. In no way should the govt be telling people how to raise their kids
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What seperates this from mandatory drinking age or smoking age? I know its a little different, but doesnt the government act as the parent in those situations as well?
 
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BearCat204 said:
What seperates this from mandatory drinking age or smoking age? I know its a little different, but doesnt the government act as the parent in those situations as well?
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those are controlled/semi controlled substances for a reason. I know what you mean but not a very good example
 
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KiffinKiller said:
those are controlled/semi controlled substances for a reason. I know what you mean but not a very good example
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??? they are only controlled by age limitations. If I think my son or daughter should be able to drink a few coors lights at the age of 11, shouldnt I, the parent, be able to make that decision? A parent that feed their child Big Mac's everyday of their life is just as harmful to their child as one who would give them booze at an early age...imo
 
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BearCat204 said:
??? they are only controlled by age limitations. If I think my son or daughter should be able to drink a few coors lights at the age of 11, shouldnt I, the parent, be able to make that decision? A parent that feed their child Big Mac's everyday of their life is just as harmful to their child as one who would give them booze at an early age...imo
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Two very different things. Especially in moderation.
 
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