Is Phil Steele a Pac 10 homer?

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I wouldn't call BYU an "easy" non-conf game. Maybe for the best teams around the country, yeah, but a decent challenge for most others.
 
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(milohimself @ Aug 9 said:
I pulled up all the Pac-10 schedules... So remember, there is also a 9 game round-robin schedule, so every team will play every other one. You can add Oregon, Arizona State, USC, California and UCLA to every schedule.

Arizona
vs Brigham Young
at Louisiana State
vs Stephen F. Austin

Arizona State
vs Northern Arizona
vs Nevada
at Colorado

California
at Tennessee
vs Minnesota
vs Portland State

Oregon
at Fresno State
vs Oklahoma
Portland State

Oregon State
vs Eastern Washington
at Boise State
vs Idaho
at Hawaii

Stanford
at San Jose State
vs Navy
at Notre Dame

UCLA
vs Utah
vs Rice
at Notre Dame

USC
at Arkansas
vs Nebraska
vs Notre Dame

Washington
vs San Jose State
at Oklahoma
vs Fresno State

Washington State
at Auburn
vs Idaho
vs Baylor

All things considered, some pretty damn tough schedules.
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i tell you what i like about some of these schedules, is the number of teams from BCS conferences on them...while not all are top dogs, they do play with top dogs each week....and USC's is pretty good...let's see they have ND, the big12, and SEC reporesented....WSU has the Big 12 and SEC as well...

i don't know how much credit i would give for BSU this year or even Utah....i do like the Fresno St and i like how many times ND pops up on these schedules...all in all, i think as a whole it's not too bad...Big 12, SEC represented in there pretty good.
 
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Look at how many times Notre Dame pops up on those schedules. We might've finally found the Irish a home.
 
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(Jasongivm6 @ Aug 9 said:
Steele's TOUGHEST schedules:
1. USC
2. Stanford
3. Washington
4. UCLA
5. Oregon
6. Washington State
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa ST
9. Tennessee
10. CAL
11. Arizona
12. . Oregon St
13. Colorado
14. Oklahoma
15. Michigan St.
16. Duke
17. Ohio St.
18. Northwestern
19. Baylor
20. Arizona State
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i think he's cares too much about getting it right, to be a homer.
 
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(tidwell @ Aug 9 said:
Look at how many times Notre Dame pops up on those schedules. We might've finally found the Irish a home.
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:lol: Word. But seriously, I do wish they'd just shut up and join the Big Ten already.
 
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Yeah, the Big Eleven joke is old and tired. It's time to move on to something new and much more original... the Big Dozen.
 
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(kptvol @ Aug 9 said:
They must be playing 8 teams that went bowling last winter.
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See, thats the problem. You can't look at it like that. Florida is playing Southern Miss of 2006, not 2005. Tennessee is playing Cal of 2006, not 2005. That's why using 2005 numbers to determine the toughness of a 2006 schedule is flawed.

UCF went to a bowl last season, but they aren't going to be nearly as tough for UF to beat than Tennessee.
 
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(VolinArizona @ Aug 9 said:
See, thats the problem. You can't look at it like that. Florida is playing Southern Miss of 2006, not 2005. Tennessee is playing Cal of 2006, not 2005. That's why using 2005 numbers to determine the toughness of a 2006 schedule is flawed.

UCF went to a bowl last season, but they aren't going to be nearly as tough for UF to beat than Tennessee.
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no, and the same would have been true for last year's team too...

i have no problem with using previous ear's results in guaging how tough a schedule is....in the end, it will prove itself out...like for us last year...everyone saw ND's schedule and thought WOW...they play Mich, USC, TN etc....that's TOUGH...well turns out TN wasn't so tough now was it?

the same will happen to some teams this season....schedule looks brutal on name value, but winds up not being so tough, and the opposite will happen too...teams not picked to be good will be and will thus make the schedule much harder....again, us last year, before the season started, i remember not thinking about ND too much...as the season went on, that game loomed larger and larger as a really tough game...
 
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he said the toughest league was the SEC but all those pac-10 teams with the toughest schedule. that doesnt add up.
 
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He lost any possible credibility to the list with UF not even on it. Anyone can see that.
 
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(LetMeStay @ Aug 10 said:
he said the toughest league was the SEC but all those pac-10 teams with the toughest schedule. that doesnt add up.
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sure it does... he respects the conference games in the SEC more than the Pac 10, but on the whole, the Pac 10 plays every team in it's conference and the ooc games, as milo posted, aren't full of "inept techs"....where as in the SEC, you have tough conference games, but on the whole, the ooc games are lack luster....and i would agree with that. too many Ark. St, Maine, Buffalo, WCU's on too many SEC schedules....

there are some though that are worth pointing out...TN/CAL, ABU/WSU, ARK/USC, LSU/AZ, UGA/COL, UF/FSU, GA/GA Tech, Vandy/Mich are some notable good ooc games....compare that to say USC, who plays ND, ARK and NEB...and while Neb and Ark on paper aren't world beaters, they are both from BCS conferences and aren't going to feild teams like say a Buffalo or Maine will....

and there are enough teams at the top of the Pac 10 that will give just about every team in the Pac 10 4-6 really good games this season when you consider thier OOC schedule too.
 
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(jakez4ut @ Aug 9 said:
no, and the same would have been true for last year's team too...

i have no problem with using previous ear's results in guaging how tough a schedule is....in the end, it will prove itself out...like for us last year...everyone saw ND's schedule and thought WOW...they play Mich, USC, TN etc....that's TOUGH...well turns out TN wasn't so tough now was it?

the same will happen to some teams this season....schedule looks brutal on name value, but winds up not being so tough, and the opposite will happen too...teams not picked to be good will be and will thus make the schedule much harder....again, us last year, before the season started, i remember not thinking about ND too much...as the season went on, that game loomed larger and larger as a really tough game...
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You can have no problem looking at last season's schtuff, but it will hinder discussions like these.
 
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(LetMeStay @ Aug 9 said:
he said the toughest league was the SEC but all those pac-10 teams with the toughest schedule. that doesnt add up.
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Yes it does. When Wash State plays Auburn, it swings the schedule difficulty a little bit towards WSU due to:

Auburn being a tougher game to WSU than WSU to Auburn.

The same can be said for almost all of the SEC/PAC 10 match ups.
 
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(VolinArizona @ Aug 10 said:
You can have no problem looking at last season's schtuff, but it will hinder discussions like these.
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i don't disagree...but it's the only way to guage your schedule season to season...

like the 2001 season for us....
we beat the following teams:
Syracuse
Arkansas
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Notre Dame
and Michigan in the bowl game

now on name value alone, i'd look at that and be real impressed...how many years would you love saying you beat both Bama and FLorida and add to that Michigan and ND....could be considered national championship worthy...but looking back SU, ARK, BAma and ND weren't all that great...

it all gets worked out as the season goes along....but for now, it's good discussion.
 
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(jakez4ut @ Aug 9 said:
i don't disagree...but it's the only way to guage your schedule season to season...

like the 2001 season for us....
we beat the following teams:
Syracuse
Arkansas
Alabama
LSU
Florida
Notre Dame
and Michigan in the bowl game

now on name value alone, i'd look at that and be real impressed...how many years would you love saying you beat both Bama and FLorida and add to that Michigan and ND....could be considered national championship worthy...but looking back SU, ARK, BAma and ND weren't all that great...

it all gets worked out as the season goes along....but for now, it's good discussion.
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I think the great middle ground is a combo of looking at previous success and potential in the upcoming season. Memphis of 2006 will be nowhere near what they were in 2005. I think at season's end, we will be surprised at certain perceived tough schedules being in the 20s or 30s. Auburn has a schedule built for 12 wins.
 
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(VolinArizona @ Aug 10 said:
I think the great middle ground is a combo of looking at previous success and potential in the upcoming season. Memphis of 2006 will be nowhere near what they were in 2005. I think at season's end, we will be surprised at certain perceived tough schedules being in the 20s or 30s. Auburn has a schedule built for 12 wins.
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yep...and your point about UCF eariler is a valid one...kind of like when UGA played Boise St a year or two ago...everyone was hyping that up as a real test.....and what happened? exactly what you thought would happne when BSU plays Georgia...
 
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(jakez4ut @ Aug 9 said:
yep...and your point about UCF eariler is a valid one...kind of like when UGA played Boise St a year or two ago...everyone was hyping that up as a real test.....and what happened? exactly what you thought would happne when BSU plays Georgia...
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Haha! Yes! When the NCAA releases the toughest schedules, it will be a little off due to rating Wisconsin (10-3), Minnesota (7-5), and Northwesten (7-5) [these are just examples] as 24-13 when we all know those 3 teams will not be as good as last year.
 
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(VolinArizona @ Aug 10 said:
Haha! Yes! When the NCAA releases the toughest schedules, it will be a little off due to rating Wisconsin (10-3), Minnesota (7-5), and Northwesten (7-5) [these are just examples] as 24-13 when we all know those 3 teams will not be as good as last year.
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yep, but on name value alone, those three schools will get you more respect than having a, say, Memphis on your schedule with no expectations for the upcomings season...but if all three of those tank and Memphis wins C USA, then all of the sudden, that Memphis game has a lot more quality to it....

it will all take care of itself in the end...
 
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(jakez4ut @ Aug 9 said:
yep, but on name value alone, those three schools will get you more respect than having a, say, Memphis on your schedule with no expectations for the upcomings season...but if all three of those tank and Memphis wins C USA, then all of the sudden, that Memphis game has a lot more quality to it....

it will all take care of itself in the end...
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Seems we're agreeing with each other but saying it in different words.
 
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(VolinArizona @ Aug 10 said:
Seems we're agreeing with each other but saying it in different words.
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:blink: you got that feeling too? oh well, we'll just call it "great minds think alike", even if they don't think alike.... :D
 
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(VolinArizona @ Aug 9 said:
See, thats the problem. You can't look at it like that. Florida is playing Southern Miss of 2006, not 2005. Tennessee is playing Cal of 2006, not 2005. That's why using 2005 numbers to determine the toughness of a 2006 schedule is flawed.

UCF went to a bowl last season, but they aren't going to be nearly as tough for UF to beat than Tennessee.
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I think in 2005 UT played the most teams that went to a bowl their previous season (2004). When in was all said and done, UT had the most difficult schedule last year. Thus, looking at the last year's team has a lot of value for predictions.
 
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(kptvol @ Aug 10 said:
I think in 2005 UT played the most teams that went to a bowl their previous season (2004). When in was all said and done, UT had the most difficult schedule last year. Thus, looking at the last year's team has a lot of value for predictions.
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Tennessee did not have the toughest schedule in 2005.
 
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(VolinArizona @ Aug 10 said:
Tennessee did not have the toughest schedule in 2005.
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I heard one service ranked our schedule the toughest at season's end. It's not that outrageous.
 
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