Is Stokes Coming Back?

#76
#76
bleedingTNorange said:
Mitch and Glenn Rob3 are returning to Michigan, hate all these guys returning, thinking Stokes is probably gonna end up going.
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I've been convinced that he was going since the JV guy was in the picture. The closer we get to the 28th without a statement of him returning, the more it looks like he is leaving. Going this long tells me that Stokes wants to leave and enter.

IMO McRae gets drafted before Stokes if he entered. He could have waited until the 28th also. Making his decision early tells me that McRae wants to come back. Stokes IMO wants to leave.
 
#77
#77
johnnybravo said:
I've been convinced that he was going since the JV guy was in the picture. The closer we get to the 28th without a statement of him returning, the more it looks like he is leaving. Going this long tells me that Stokes wants to leave and enter.

IMO McRae gets drafted before Stokes if he entered. He could have waited until the 28th also. Making his decision early tells me that McRae wants to come back. Stokes IMO wants to leave.
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McRae could still go
 
#78
#78
bleedingTNorange said:
McRae could still go
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I would at that point look at turning in my season tickets and spend my time this coming year at TBA watching the lady Vols instead.

I do think that we would be a better team this coming year without McRae plus Stokes than with McRae minus Stokes.
 
#79
#79
johnnybravo said:
I would at that point look at turning in my season tickets and spend my time this coming year at TBA watching the lady Vols instead.

I do think that we would be a better team this coming year without McRae plus Stokes than with McRae minus Stokes.
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???
 
#80
#80
The Ticket Office kindly let me pay to upgrade my KY and Mizzou tickets to the lower level, but after seeing those seats released late in the season, there's no way I'm buying any UT basketball tickets in the Fall. I'll wait until closer to the game dates to decide what tickets I want.
 
#81
#81
johnnybravo said:
I would at that point look at turning in my season tickets and spend my time this coming year at TBA watching the lady Vols instead.

I do think that we would be a better team this coming year without McRae plus Stokes than with McRae minus Stokes.
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I agree on the second paragraph, having Hubbs plays a big part in that, plus a guy like Moore as well.
 
#83
#83
If Stokes leaves, this group will resemble the team Martin started his first season with, replacing Hall, Tatum, and McBee with Davis, Hubbs, and Thompson.
 
#84
#84
ukvols said:
If Stokes leaves, this group will resemble the team Martin started his first season with, replacing Hall, Tatum, and McBee with Davis, Hubbs, and Thompson.
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I think it will resemble last year with Maymon getting double teamed all the time and Golden / McRae / Hubbs scrambling around the perimeter trying to get a shot off.
 
#85
#85
ukvols said:
If Stokes leaves, this group will resemble the team Martin started his first season with, replacing Hall, Tatum, and McBee with Davis, Hubbs, and Thompson.
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Looking at it that way, I definetly like next years team better. Other than that fact all three being freshman.
 
#86
#86
ukvols said:
If Stokes leaves, this group will resemble the team Martin started his first season with, replacing Hall, Tatum, and McBee with Davis, Hubbs, and Thompson.
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Yea, but much better scoring options with next year's team. What made Martin's first couple of months difficult was the fact that Maymon, McRae, and Golden were thrust into the role of scoring when they all virtually had no experience. None of them averaged more than 8-10 minutes before Martin.

This year, McRae became a legit double digit scorer every game, and someone that can put up huge numbers. Let's hope Maymon is back to normal. Even without Stokes, I expect this team to make the NCAAT. But, Stokes makes it a very good team.
 
#87
#87
I hope Stokes does what's best for him as well as our program and that is come back and work on his game so he can become a first round pick and help the Vols get to the Final 4. Leaving would be a huge mistake if his goal is to play in the NBA.
 
#89
#89
TOP said:
A lot of people didn't think Tobias Harris was ready either.

He's just 20 years and in 26 games(19 starts) with Orlando he's averaging 17.2rebs 8.5rebs 2.1asts 1.4blks 0.9stls on 45.4% from the field, 32.1% from behind the arc and 75.0% from the line.

I want Stokes back but who says he doesn't return only to get Scotty Hopsoned? NBA likes to draft on potential and sometimes the more they see you at the college level, the more your stock drops. So I'm not exactly sure returning is smart and who knows if Martin will help him improve at all. Or maybe he gets injured and tumbles down the board like PJ3 and Sullinger. So many variables and to flat out say the smart choice is to return isn't necessarily true.

There are reasons to stay and reasons to go. Personally, I might go based on potential but that's just me. Lance Stephenson was another 5* recruit and left after his freshman season. He wasn't ready and because of it, he was drafted in the middle of the 2nd round. Now though, he's starting on what will be the #3 seed in the East this season. If you're talented, you'll have a chance to figure it out in the NBA. Being as highly rated as Jarnell Stokes was coming out of high school, he better dominate the college world in his 3rd season or his stock will take a hit and he will fall down the draft boards. Everybody gets drafted on Kentucky based on potential... Daniel Orton has been a nothing. Teague wasn't very good this year. Brandon Knight hasn't lived up to the billing. These guys were all smart to leave asap though. If they had stuck around and didn't dominate, they wouldn't have been drafted where they were. Teague was almost a 2nd round pick as is and Daniel Orton wouldn't be drafted let alone a 1st round pick.

I'll gladly take Stokes back though. It would be nice to actually make the tournament again.
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Stokes is no Tobias. Plus every expert out there had Tobias being drafted. How many have we heard even bring up Stokes. Nothing against the brotha but he ain't ready. He cowers at double teams. When he truly discovers how to utilize his strength. Watch out.
 
#90
#90
darkgable said:
Stokes is no Tobias. Plus every expert out there had Tobias being drafted. How many have we heard even bring up Stokes. Nothing against the brotha but he ain't ready. He cowers at double teams. When he truly discovers how to utilize his strength. Watch out.
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I would hate to see Stokes make the mistake of coming out and not get drafted. Other than being physically ready, his game is not NBA ready. Another year and the addition of Maymon could possibly push him into the 1st round. Also, if he comes back, he will get a lot of pub because we will be a Top 20 team that could/ should make some noise in next years NCAA tourney. That alone could increase his draft stock.
 
#91
#91
johnnybravo said:
I've been convinced that he was going since the JV guy was in the picture. The closer we get to the 28th without a statement of him returning, the more it looks like he is leaving. Going this long tells me that Stokes wants to leave and enter.

IMO McRae gets drafted before Stokes if he entered. He could have waited until the 28th also. Making his decision early tells me that McRae wants to come back. Stokes IMO wants to leave.
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Then he had better have his passport updated. His offensive game is far from being NBA ready.
 
#92
#92
Tux said:
Then he had better have his passport updated. His offensive game is far from being NBA ready.
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He want go in the first two rounds will be Scotty Hopson all over again. He can make some good money playing in a foreign country.
 
#93
#93
I think the longer this goes on the worse it looks for us, if Stokes declares on the last day it is less time for him to deal with UT fans complaining.
 
#94
#94
I hope he comes back. He has the ability to log major minutes in the NBA but isn't there yet. I obviously want him in UT orange next season but it's just the simple fact that he has the ability to get to the NBA and could blow it coming out early. But then again, I'm not an agent or work for a NBA team so...
 
#96
#96
ThunderVol11 said:
Incorrect. If he leaves, he will be drafted. Not sure where, but he definitely will be taken.
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You can't promise that. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is crazy. Many teams pick up senior or foreign players. Foreign players have more upside then a sophomore PF. One, they can stay overseas while the NBA team still owns all the players rights. The player can sit overseas for 2-3 years, get better, and most importantly come at 0 cost of the NBA team. Why draft Stokes when you know he's 2-3 years away from being NBA ready. Why pay for Stokes when he's D-league bound, and pass on taking a foreign player who stays overseas and could become the next Tiago Splitter.
 
#97
#97
keckjm said:
...the next Tiago Splitter.
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One of my favorite names of all time, and I have no reason as to why.

I think the Stokes argument is moot, because I don't think he will leave unless he has some pretty concrete assurance that he will, at the very least, be drafted.

I would like to think he's got zero desire to leave school at 19 and go to a foreign country.
 
#98
#98
keckjm said:
You can't promise that. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is crazy. Many teams pick up senior or foreign players. Foreign players have more upside then a sophomore PF. One, they can stay overseas while the NBA team still owns all the players rights. The player can sit overseas for 2-3 years, get better, and most importantly come at 0 cost of the NBA team. Why draft Stokes when you know he's 2-3 years away from being NBA ready. Why pay for Stokes when he's D-league bound, and pass on taking a foreign player who stays overseas and could become the next Tiago Splitter.
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Bingo. It's almost like purchasing land and deciding if you want to build a house later or sell the property.

Stokes will end up in the D League and then overseas if he goes IMO
 
#99
#99
cncchris33 said:
One of my favorite names of all time, and I have no reason as to why.

I think the Stokes argument is moot, because I don't think he will leave unless he has some pretty concrete assurance that he will, at the very least, be drafted.

I would like to think he's got zero desire to leave school at 19 and go to a foreign country.
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I agree. I see people argue for Hopson saying he's doing great playing over seas. He plays in Israel! If I took a poll I wonder how many people want to leave the US to leave in Israel? Had Hopson stayed he could have been the focal point of a team for the first time, and he really could have helped his draft stock IMO.
 
#100
#100
keckjm said:
I agree. I see people argue for Hopson saying he's doing great playing over seas. He plays in Israel! If I took a poll I wonder how many people want to leave the US to leave in Israel? Had Hopson stayed he could have been the focal point of a team for the first time, and he really could have helped his draft stock IMO.
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I am very pro-Scotty. I think he is undervalued by a majority of our fanbase to a degree.

That said, he got some terrible advice and made a bad choice. Israel would have been there the next year if he hadn't been drafted, AND he would have a degree. Six-figure contracts are nothing to sneeze at, but being 8,000 miles from home in a foreign country (an unstable one at that) wasn't his dream, I'm sure. I hope he hones his skills well enough against other pros, and gets a shot to make the NBA.
 
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