Is the world better off with the nation of Israel?

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Mick said:
Just throwing this out there. I think a 2 state solution is possible. I think they would make great trade partners. Palestine would be able to provide cheap labor if they came to an agreement. imo
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I think so too...

However, Israel keeps expanding beyond their borders, taking what’s not theirs...and because of their media control and intolerance of criticism....it goes unchecked in the international world...

Israel is anything but the ME “democracy” they portray in the media...
 
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Mick said:
Just throwing this out there. I think a 2 state solution is possible. I think they would make great trade partners. Palestine would be able to provide cheap labor if they came to an agreement. imo
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I just don’t see any way a 2 state solution can be achieved. They are not going to get along. The 2 people are incompatible. But you are correct in that it would be better than what they have now
 
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Pacer92 said:
That’s the problem...they don’t care!

In this day of information, it’s not so easy for Israel to hide behind the anti-Semitic, victim playbook anymore...

The world is finally seeing Israel for what it really is....nothing fake about it...nor the outrage!
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They are not like anyone you know.
They’re willing to go it alone. They openly have a plan to take everyone with them if they go down.

They are used to being hated and you’re right they just don’t care. But to be fair nobody around them recognizes there existence either.
 
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And if you’re paying attention at all, which I kinda doubt, you noticed that I was opposed to Israel passing this law.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s funny
The Jews don’t seem to care what you recognize and what you don’t.
The Palestinians are leftovers from a failed attack on Israel. There are strategic reasons those lands will never be returned and statehood never granted.

You can fake outrage from over here all you like but it ain’t gonna happen. Israel will not give up strategic control over the area.
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Wow, leftovers? Tell us how you really feel.
 
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Mick said:
Just throwing this out there. I think a 2 state solution is possible. I think they would make great trade partners. Palestine would be able to provide cheap labor if they came to an agreement. imo
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Israel will never come on board something so sensible. And our idiotic, religious based foreign policy concerning Israel won't allow it.

Good idea, but a pipe dream sadly.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Wow, leftovers? Tell us how you really feel.
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Lol
Would you prefer refugees.
Word choice doesn’t change who they are. The only reason they’re there is they were abandoned by their home countries and not allowed in after a failed attack on Israel. The shame of conditions these “leftovers” live in falls on their home countries......who abandoned them as political pawns ...... not Israel


The has never been a Palestine. It wasn’t a country before Israel’s statehood. Nobody in history thought that their was a need for a Palestinian state......till the hatred of Israel brought a political need for one.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Israel will never come on board something so sensible. And our idiotic, religious based foreign policy concerning Israel won't allow it.

Good idea, but a pipe dream sadly.
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it is easy to say it is a good idea to allow thousands of people that may or may not want to kill you into your country from 6,000 miles away.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Who’s denying who’s existence?!
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Israel exists Palestine doesn’t.

The difference between you and me is your dealing in how things should be and I’m dealing in how they are.

The fact is neither side is going to compromise on this. Whose fault is a matter of debate but I’d say they share some blame.
The fact is neither side has a belief system that can coexist with the other. That’s not likely to change.
This is either going to end with the annexation of Palestinian land or war. Either way I do not believe that there will ever be a Palestinian state.

Having said that...


I think that Palestine should be recognized as a state by my people Israel. Then when they step out of line declare war on them.....just like any other country in the world. And they will step out of line. They can’t help themselves.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Israel exists Palestine doesn’t.

The difference between you and me is your dealing in how things should be and I’m dealing in how they are.

The fact is neither side is going to compromise on this. Whose fault is a matter of debate but I’d say they share some blame.
The fact is neither side has a belief system that can coexist with the other. That’s not likely to change.
This is either going to end with the annexation of Palestinian land or war. Either way I do not believe that there will ever be a Palestinian state.

Having said that...


I think that Palestine should be recognized as a state by my people Israel. Then when they step out of line declare war on them.....just like any other country in the world. And they will step out of line. They can’t help themselves.
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I am not an expert on the lay of the land, but it seems the Golan heights and other areas occupied outside the border are just that...high ground. From all I have seen on TV, these areas are higher in elevation, and the terrorists have used this advantage in the past to launch rockets etc far into Israel. No country is going to let people who openly wish them dead hold strategic, elevated positions literally touching the border of their country...so they can shell civilians when they get arms from their Muslim suppliers like Syria feeds hezbollah... not going to happen.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I am not an expert on the lay of the land, but it seems the Golan heights and other areas occupied outside the border are just that...high ground. From all I have seen on TV, these areas are higher in elevation, and the terrorists have used this advantage in the past to launch rockets etc far into Israel. No country is going to let people who openly wish them dead hold strategic, elevated positions literally touching the border of their country...so they can shell civilians when they get arms from their Muslim suppliers like Syria feeds hezbollah... not going to happen.
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It’s really just that simple.



Are you feeling ok?
That was a really short post.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Yes this law that passed last week is the reason the Muslims around them have denied Israels existence for 70 years.
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You have no idea what your talking about. This is a religious issue. Never knew we had so many anti-semites on the board. Of course if you're a liberal it's in your nature
 
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happy-go_vol said:
You have no idea what your talking about. This is a religious issue. Never knew we had so many anti-semites on the board. Of course if you're a liberal it's in your nature
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Not sure what you’re saying here.
But I’m sure @Mick @luthervol @lawgator1 @BowlBrother85 @TennTom will all be glad to know I’m a liberal.

I’m a Jew.
I opposed the law as reactionary and unproductive. I’m was simply stating that the law is not the cause of the poor relationship between Israel and its neighbors.

Maybe you meant to use blue font and I missed it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
On behalf of Jews everywhere



**** you.



Do you have a right to exist in your country?
The country you live in is called the great Satan and the cause of everything that happens on this planet according to almost every other country. Should we exist?
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