Is this a final 4 line up?

#51
#51
seaofORANGE22 said:
I disagree. I thought McBee became one of our most reliable perimeter defenders in the second half of last year. If he does that, and hits threes when he gets opportunities, he should play.

Plus, he is a senior with great experience that works his butt off. You better believe Cuonzo is gonna play him.
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Saying he's one of our most reliable permiter defenders isn't exactly saying much, fwiw.

I expect a different level of intensity on defense from McRae...Richardson will bring it again...dmontre is a hard nosed defender...and Q is all about defense...I see Mcbees minutes decreasing.
 
#52
#52
bleedingTNorange said:
Saying he's one of our most reliable permiter defenders isn't exactly saying much, fwiw.

I expect a different level of intensity on defense from McRae...Richardson will bring it again...dmontre is a hard nosed defender...and Q is all about defense...I see Mcbees minutes decreasing.
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What do you mean it's not saying much? It's saying he was our most reliable. He came up big in some games late in the season. I hope his minutes don't decrease. I think we'll need him again.

I hope you're right about McRae.

The difference between McBee and the other guys you mention is that he's actually done it. I've seen it in games. He's a senior who has earned his coaches trust. I would be shocked if his minutes go down much.
 
#53
#53
seaofORANGE22 said:
I disagree. I thought McBee became one of our most reliable perimeter defenders in the second half of last year. If he does that, and hits threes when he gets opportunities, he should play.

Plus, he is a senior with great experience that works his butt off. You better believe Cuonzo is gonna play him.
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Martin had no choice last season.
He has much better options this season.
Might see McBee and Richardson in preseason, but when we get into conference play you'll see people that attack the rim consistently. Neither of these 2 fit that description. JMO though
 
#54
#54
seaofORANGE22 said:
What do you mean it's not saying much? It's saying he was our most reliable. He came up big in some games late in the season. I hope his minutes don't decrease. I think we'll need him again.

I hope you're right about McRae.

The difference between McBee and the other guys you mention is that he's actually done it. I've seen it in games. He's a senior who has earned his coaches trust. I would be shocked if his minutes go down much.
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That's saying a lot for a former walk on.
 
#55
#55
calban said:
Martin had no choice last season.
He has much better options this season.
Might see McBee and Richardson in preseason, but when we get into conference play you'll see people that attack the rim consistently. Neither of these 2 fit that description. JMO though
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I don't disagree that some of the other guys are more talented. But they are unproven.

McBee is gonna be in the mix if he plays like he did last year.
 
#56
#56
seaofORANGE22 said:
I don't disagree that some of the other guys are more talented. But they are unproven.

McBee is gonna be in the mix if he plays like he did last year.
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That will surprise me if he does.
Going to see a lot more of Martin's offense this year.
Requires aggressive players that can create their own shots and attack the basket without fear.
Also going to see a lot more effective 4 guard line ups to keep Maymon and Stokes healthy going into post season.
Love McBee, but he just doesn't fit the equation.
 
#57
#57
If we see significant minutes out of McBee this year, then CCM failed to improve on our weakness at the #2 guard during the off season.
 
#58
#58
johnnybravo said:
If we see significant minutes out of McBee this year, then CCM failed to improve on our weakness at the #2 guard during the off season.
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Exactly!!
I'm expecting a big difference in guard play this season.
Of course, STUNK doesn't begin to describe last season.
 
#59
#59
calban said:
That will surprise me if he does.
Going to see a lot more of Martin's offense this year.
Requires aggressive players that can create their own shots and attack the basket without fear.
Also going to see a lot more effective 4 guard line ups to keep Maymon and Stokes healthy going into post season.
Love McBee, but he just doesn't fit the equation.
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I see what you're saying. That makes sense. I don't doubt that that is where we are headed in the future. But it still just seems too ideal to me.

I just doubt that we will be so much better at the #2 this year that we can afford to have a guy that plays as hard and shoots the 3 as good as McBee sitting on the bench all season. He's a specialty player with 3 years of experience. I just think that's valuable somehow.

Not saying he is a star or anything. But he has always found a way to get on the floor, to the surprise of many. I just don't see it being any different this year.
 
#60
#60
seaofORANGE22 said:
What do you mean it's not saying much? It's saying he was our most reliable. He came up big in some games late in the season. I hope his minutes don't decrease. I think we'll need him again.

I hope you're right about McRae.

The difference between McBee and the other guys you mention is that he's actually done it. I've seen it in games. He's a senior who has earned his coaches trust. I would be shocked if his minutes go down much.
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What I mean is we didn't have good perimeter defenders, so saying he's our best isn't saying much. That's like saying the RB on the school of the blind team is the best player, not exactly saying a whole.

Mcbee gave 110%, something McRae wasn't willing to do. Richardson was and we saw mcbee benched for Richardson, however Richardson brought very little offensively and was making freshman mistakes.

If McRae decides to give 100% on defense, which all inductions are he's going to do that...then Mcbees minutes will undoubtedly decrease.
 
#61
#61
seaofORANGE22 said:
I see what you're saying. That makes sense. I don't doubt that that is where we are headed in the future. But it still just seems too ideal to me.

I just doubt that we will be so much better at the #2 this year that we can afford to have a guy that plays as hard and shoots the 3 as good as McBee sitting on the bench all season. He's a specialty player with 3 years of experience. I just think that's valuable somehow.

Not saying he is a star or anything. But he has always found a way to get on the floor, to the surprise of many. I just don't see it being any different this year.
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It's not that we didn't have better options last year, it's that McRae wasn't giving the effort Martin wanted. If McRae gives te effort he's taking a lot of Mcbees minutes.

It is valuable somehow...when guys need a blow, or when we need a 3.
 
#62
#62
bleedingTNorange said:
It's not that we didn't have better options last year, it's that McRae wasn't giving the effort Martin wanted. If McRae gives te effort he's taking a lot of Mcbees minutes.

It is valuable somehow...when guys need a blow, or when we need a 3.
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I need a blow all the time :thumbsup:


I really hate that expression.
 
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#63
#63
seaofORANGE22 said:
I see what you're saying. That makes sense. I don't doubt that that is where we are headed in the future. But it still just seems too ideal to me.

I just doubt that we will be so much better at the #2 this year that we can afford to have a guy that plays as hard and shoots the 3 as good as McBee sitting on the bench all season. He's a specialty player with 3 years of experience. I just think that's valuable somehow.

Not saying he is a star or anything. But he has always found a way to get on the floor, to the surprise of many. I just don't see it being any different this year.
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I get ya.
Nice to be able to discuss things like this without being called a negavol or an idiot.
Our BB board has really improved this year.
 
#64
#64
bleedingTNorange said:
What I mean is we didn't have good perimeter defenders, so saying he's our best isn't saying much. That's like saying the RB on the school of the blind team is the best player, not exactly saying a whole.

Mcbee gave 110%, something McRae wasn't willing to do. Richardson was and we saw mcbee benched for Richardson, however Richardson brought very little offensively and was making freshman mistakes.

If McRae decides to give 100% on defense, which all inductions are he's going to do that...then Mcbees minutes will undoubtedly decrease.
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Everyone keeps saying Mcrae is going to have a breakout year. Seems we heard the same thing about Scotty ever year.
You either have the heart to give your all to win or you don't. Doesn't matter how good the coach is " you can't coach heart " and Mcrae doesn't seem to have it.
 
#65
#65
knowthevols said:
Everyone keeps saying Mcrae is going to have a breakout year. Seems we heard the same thing about Scotty ever year.
You either have the heart to give your all to win or you don't. Doesn't matter how good the coach is " you can't coach heart " and Mcrae doesn't seem to have it.
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I think that changes this year. He showed flashed of that heart last year...and having a child to support now should be plenty of motivation.
 
#66
#66
seaofORANGE22 said:
I was thinking about this in my head yesterday.. I had either McRae or Richardson at the 3. Either way, that's probably the most talented Tennessee starting 5 of my lifetime.
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We should wait to see them on the court before making that claim.
 
#68
#68
knowthevols said:
Everyone keeps saying Mcrae is going to have a breakout year. Seems we heard the same thing about Scotty ever year.
You either have the heart to give your all to win or you don't. Doesn't matter how good the coach is " you can't coach heart " and Mcrae doesn't seem to have it.
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I completely disagree with this.

You know who is ALWAYS the first one off the bench to celebrate a big run or play? Jordan McRae. You know who is always supporting his teammates? Jordan McRae. You know who is always active on the bench, standing up, and clapping, no matter the situation? Jordan McRae.

I don't think heart is the issue. He's never had to play defense or have a basketball IQ till last year. He got by athleticism and clashed with Pearl when he got here schematically.
 
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#69
#69
zjcvols said:
I completely disagree with this.

You know who is ALWAYS the first one off the bench to celebrate a big run or play? Jordan McRae. You know who is always supporting his teammates? Jordan McRae. You know who is always active on the bench, standing up, and clapping, no matter the situation? Jordan McRae.

I don't think heart is the issue. He's never had to play defense or have a basketball IQ till last year. He got by athleticism and clashed with Pearl when he got here schematically.
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Agree. There is a difference in heart and mental toughness. McRae has heart. He just needs to toughen up.
 
#71
#71
cncchris33 said:
Agree. There is a difference in heart and mental toughness. McRae has heart. He just needs to toughen up.
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Agree.

Hopson didn't have the heart McRae did, I'll definitely give him that. Hopefully that intensity leads to McRae breaking out and figuring things out.
 
#72
#72
bleedingTNorange said:
I think he means from a star/ranking standpoint...which would be hard to argue with.
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Yeah exactly. I didn't mean they will most certainly be the best team of my lifetime. But on paper, the talent is sick.

That's the kind of talent that puts you in a position to make a deep tournament run.

It feels like Tennessee is slowly moving into a new tier of basketball schools with the consistency we've shown since Pearl started here.

Pearl laid a fantastic foundation and changed our image in recruits eyes. Cuonzo hasn't missed a beat. He may be putting himself in a position to take us farther Pearl ever could have.
 
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