Is this team, preseason really different?

Is this preseason any different from other preseasons?

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#51
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99gator said:
It's a little bit different, but not as much as everyone thinks.

I can't believe the things people believe about this past year's recruiting class. Tennessee is going to win the Super Bowl in two years because of this class.

I have said on numerous occasions that recruiting is important because it makes these games a fair fight and Tennessee hasn't been in a fair fight in a long time. But, a quick look at the recruiting rankings will tell you that five or six schools on Tennessee' s schedule bring in the same kind of recruiting class every year.

The light can be seen at the end of the tunnel. But, the talent is in the freshman class and you don't win with freshman.

Bottom line, Tennessee is still going to be an underdog in a lot of games and will still lose more games than anyone here would like. It's still going to be a fairly mediocre year, imo.

However, better times are coming as these kids grow up and these games become more and more of a fair fight. At that point, Tennessee will win its share.
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The most remarkable thing about this post is that a Gator fan just told Vol fans on a Vol board to "know your place"... and 11 or more Vol fans "liked" it.


As always, 99gator is subtle. But the paragraph that begins "Bottom line" is the key.

Few here have denied that UT will be an underdog in about half of its games as we look at the season from this vantage point. The most "ambitious" of us here have said that 8 would be a "great" season for this team... but refer back to the 1st two paragraphs... WE are hoping TOO much. By expecting 6-8 weeks and for some talented young players to make a significant impact... we are expecting "to win the Super Bowl".

Again, 99gator's condescending attitude and perspective aren't surprising. He's been the same for years. The surprising part is that so many here "liked" it.
 
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BTW, the OP poses an unknowable question. Conjecture would even be a mistake.

Is it different? Absolutely. But is it good, bad, or indifferent? Toss out "faith"... and there's simply no way to know.
 
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sjt18 said:
The most remarkable thing about this post is that a Gator fan just told Vol fans on a Vol board to "know your place"... and 11 or more Vol fans "liked" it.


As always, 99gator is subtle. But the paragraph that begins "Bottom line" is the key.

Few here have denied that UT will be an underdog in about half of its games as we look at the season from this vantage point. The most "ambitious" of us here have said that 8 would be a "great" season for this team... but refer back to the 1st two paragraphs... WE are hoping TOO much. By expecting 6-8 weeks and for some talented young players to make a significant impact... we are expecting "to win the Super Bowl".

Again, 99gator's condescending attitude and perspective aren't surprising. He's been the same for years. The surprising part is that so many here "liked" it.
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I thought he was fair and I agree. There will be at least 10 players from this class that won't make it. That's why you need several good classes in a row to have a fair fight as he put it.
 
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InspectorVol said:
Can't believe I am agreeing with a gator but you are correct. Now, we could possibly win enough to make a bowl game if these guys can put together an effort like UGA and USC last year again. If they do improved playmaking ability may help us get over the hump.

Now I have to go shower and try to get the gator stench off of me.
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At least you clearly understand the consequences of your cyber-behavior. If I may offer a gentle suggestion, never, under any circumstances, admit it if you find yourself in agreement with a member of the Reptilian Horde. It is, quite simply, unbecoming of a Tennessee fan.
 
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Team speed has also greatly improved. Off and def lines are really young and I'm really looking forward to seeing Hurd run the rock.
 
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sjt18 said:
The most remarkable thing about this post is that a Gator fan just told Vol fans on a Vol board to "know your place"... and 11 or more Vol fans "liked" it.


As always, 99gator is subtle. But the paragraph that begins "Bottom line" is the key.

Few here have denied that UT will be an underdog in about half of its games as we look at the season from this vantage point. The most "ambitious" of us here have said that 8 would be a "great" season for this team... but refer back to the 1st two paragraphs... WE are hoping TOO much. By expecting 6-8 weeks and for some talented young players to make a significant impact... we are expecting "to win the Super Bowl".

Again, 99gator's condescending attitude and perspective aren't surprising. He's been the same for years. The surprising part is that so many here "liked" it.
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I agree with your sentiments. 99Gator, however, has wisely selected his target audience. His comments, whether or not they truly constitute an "objective" perspective, will resonate with the hypercritical contingent of contributors to this forum, otherwise known as the "Legions of the Miserable." 99Gator would not meet with the same reception if he regularly frequented the Recruiting Forum.
 
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sjt18 said:
The most remarkable thing about this post is that a Gator fan just told Vol fans on a Vol board to "know your place"... and 11 or more Vol fans "liked" it.


As always, 99gator is subtle. But the paragraph that begins "Bottom line" is the key.

Few here have denied that UT will be an underdog in about half of its games as we look at the season from this vantage point. The most "ambitious" of us here have said that 8 would be a "great" season for this team... but refer back to the 1st two paragraphs... WE are hoping TOO much. By expecting 6-8 weeks and for some talented young players to make a significant impact... we are expecting "to win the Super Bowl".

Again, 99gator's condescending attitude and perspective aren't surprising. He's been the same for years. The surprising part is that so many here "liked" it.
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How the heck is it condescending? I deal with reality.

Do you think I think Florida is going anywhere this season?

8 wins, for sake of discussion, is a mediocre season at Tennessee, imo. I think Butch can do better than that, but it won't be this season.

Everyone here would be overjoyed with an 8 win season because things have been that damn bad. But, 8 wins and an appearance in the Chick-Fil-A bowl will eventually get Butch Jones fired if that's the best he can do.

I would be willing to take the Pepsi challenge with anyone on this board regarding my opinions of Tennessee football over the last few years as I have been pretty spot on.

Remember I am the one that before last season said year 2 would be better than year 1 when most everyone here (including a certain other poster....could it be you) believed Jones better show something in year 1 because year 2 was going to be brutal.

I have never said anything negative about Butch Jones or the direction of the program under his leadership.

I am not perfect and I take the occasional jab, but brother, you are THE authority on condescension.

since you are going to respond to this post, give me your pre-game and post-game thoughts on last year's tennessee-missouri game. i'm running out of condescending material
 
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It will take time, that's all,. Keep recruiting at a high level, get MORE Dlineman so teams cant double KMac every down, give them time to mature and grow.. Xs and Os cant fix 18 yrs old Vs 22 yrs olds. Just be patient and keep recruiting like crazy!!!!
 
#60
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LotteryPick said:
99 isn't lying, though. I don't understand why people are getting mad.

We all expect around 6 wins. That's a mediocre season.
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No. It is that he's equating an expectation of say 7 or 8 wins to expecting a Super Bowl win. If you will pay attention to him over time, you'll see it.

Not too long ago he expressed angst with Muschamp. That was OK because THEY are UF. UT should be "patient" because we're just UT... we have no right to have expectations of a football coach on the same level as Gator fans.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. It is that he's equating an expectation of say 7 or 8 wins to expecting a Super Bowl win. If you will pay attention to him over time, you'll see it.

Not too long ago he expressed angst with Muschamp. That was OK because THEY are UF. UT should be "patient" because we're just UT... we have no right to have expectations of a football coach on the same level as Gator fans.
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At least have the courtesy not to make stuff up.
 
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99gator said:
How the heck is it condescending? I deal with reality.
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You deal the same way you've always "dealt" since we first ran across each other. You as a UF fan have every RIGHT to expect greatness from your program and coach. We as UT fans have no right to expect the same. That's been your consistent attitude.
Do you think I think Florida is going anywhere this season?

8 wins, for sake of discussion, is a mediocre season at Tennessee, imo. I think Butch can do better than that, but it won't be this season.

Everyone here would be overjoyed with an 8 win season because things have been that damn bad. But, 8 wins and an appearance in the Chick-Fil-A bowl will eventually get Butch Jones fired if that's the best he can do.

I would be willing to take the Pepsi challenge with anyone on this board regarding my opinions of Tennessee football over the last few years as I have been pretty spot on.

Remember I am the one that before last season said year 2 would be better than year 1 when most everyone here (including a certain other poster....could it be you) believed Jones better show something in year 1 because year 2 was going to be brutal.

I have never said anything negative about Butch Jones or the direction of the program under his leadership.

I am not perfect and I take the occasional jab, but brother, you are THE authority on condescension.

since you are going to respond to this post, give me your pre-game and post-game thoughts on last year's tennessee-missouri game. i'm running out of condescending material
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It isn't whether you are right or wrong. It is your attitude. The vast majority of your posts are inconsistent with the bolded above. If they weren't then I wouldn't say that.

And yes, Jones still underperformed the talent he had last fall. It wasn't SEC CG talent... but it wasn't 5 win talent either. Maybe it was because he made investments in the future. Maybe it was because his system just takes that much longer to implement effectively. Or... maybe he's just in over his head and it is obscured by his exciting personality at this point.

Six wins will still be a good season with this roster. Anything better would be a real statement by Jones. Five or less wins will be a second year in a row that he's underperformed his talent and lost to at least one team with less physical talent.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
I thought he was fair and I agree. There will be at least 10 players from this class that won't make it. That's why you need several good classes in a row to have a fair fight as he put it.
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I don't disagree that there will be attrition. In fact, I've been arguing with someone else here that we don't know how significant it will be.

I'm talking about an air of superiority that I've been seeing from 99gator for several years now. It isn't just a disagreement with expectations. It is his subtle and occasionally not so subtle suggestions that UT fans have no business having expectations as high as UF fan expectations.

It would be like a kid saying I'm smarter than you so I have a right to expect to make an A... you don't. IOW's... "Vol fan, know your place".
 
#65
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sjt18 said:
You deal the same way you've always "dealt" since we first ran across each other. You as a UF fan have every RIGHT to expect greatness from your program and coach. We as UT fans have no right to expect the same. That's been your consistent attitude.
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that's a load.

Every year, I look at the team. Every year, I've said they aren't going to be any good. I've said how long it would take to get to good.

Every year, tennessee hasn't been good. Every year (until recently) progress toward becoming good has been delayed by bad hires and terrible recruiting.

I have never stated Tennessee is a program that couldn't win championships and shouldn't expect to win championships. Never.

I will turn and aim at Florida with the same enthusiasm. It will be 3 years (minimum) before Florida can compete for a title. Is that condescending? Do you think I don't have expectations at Florida?

This isn't poker. You can't bluff in football. You've got to have horses. For all the years we've had this argument, I've said Tennessee hasn't had the horse. Year after year, they've taken it on the chin.

My evaluation has nothing to do with what one should expect for an ultimate goal of a program. Not a damn thing.
 
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99gator said:
It's a little bit different, but not as much as everyone thinks.

I can't believe the things people believe about this past year's recruiting class. Tennessee is going to win the Super Bowl in two years because of this class.

I have said on numerous occasions that recruiting is important because it makes these games a fair fight and Tennessee hasn't been in a fair fight in a long time. But, a quick look at the recruiting rankings will tell you that five or six schools on Tennessee' s schedule bring in the same kind of recruiting class every year.

The light can be seen at the end of the tunnel. But, the talent is in the freshman class and you don't win with freshman.

Bottom line, Tennessee is still going to be an underdog in a lot of games and will still lose more games than anyone here would like. It's still going to be a fairly mediocre year, imo.

However, better times are coming as these kids grow up and these games become more and more of a fair fight. At that point, Tennessee will win its share.
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I agree with these thoughts.

I just hope all this optimism doesn't cause the heat to escalate on CBJ from those that matter. The message board contingent is going to be disappointed with this season and they will be looking for someone's hide I'm afraid.

Real concerning that so many see more wins than the last few years. Just not there yet.

JMO
 
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99gator said:
I will turn and aim at Florida with the same enthusiasm. It will be 3 years (minimum) before Florida can compete for a title. Is that condescending? Do you think I don't have expectations at Florida?
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Don't know how condescending it is... but I'd doubt the sincerity. If UF were well coached, they could contend for the SEC East this fall.

My evaluation has nothing to do with what one should expect for an ultimate goal of a program. Not a damn thing.
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You bet... several years of your posts say different.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I agree with these thoughts.

I just hope all this optimism doesn't cause the heat to escalate on CBJ from those that matter. The message board contingent is going to be disappointed with this season and they will be looking for someone's hide I'm afraid.

Real concerning that so many see more wins than the last few years. Just not there yet.

JMO
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If Jones loses 7 games this year he will have lost to at least one team with less talent in his first two years as HC. Heat should escalate on Jones if that happens. He should not be fired after two seasons but he should definitely be expected to show he's up to the job in year 3.

According to the resident statistician (Daj), UT actually has more talent than 8 of the teams on their schedule this fall. I said 6 because of experience and development but he rejected those as a consistent factor. Coaching however is a fairly consistent factor. Again according to Daj, Jones has been a "plus 2" coach in his two previous stops. He avg's beating two teams per year that according to Rivals have more talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
If Jones loses 7 games this year he will have lost to at least one team with less talent in his first two years as HC. Heat should escalate on Jones if that happens. He should not be fired after two seasons but he should definitely be expected to show he's up to the job in year 3.

According to the resident statistician (Daj), UT actually has more talent than 8 of the teams on their schedule this fall. I said 6 because of experience and development but he rejected those as a consistent factor. Coaching however is a fairly consistent factor. Again according to Daj, Jones has been a "plus 2" coach in his two previous stops. He avg's beating two teams per year that according to Rivals have more talent.
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I don't DAJ, but Phil Steele has Tennessee with less percentage returning lettermen than any other SEC team.

IMO, youth and inexperience makes things very difficult even when talented. JMO
 
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LWSVOL said:
I agree with these thoughts.

I just hope all this optimism doesn't cause the heat to escalate on CBJ from those that matter. The message board contingent is going to be disappointed with this season and they will be looking for someone's hide I'm afraid.

Real concerning that so many see more wins than the last few years. Just not there yet.

JMO
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LWS this has been my sentiment since day one posting on this board. There is a lot of unbridled enthusiasm for this season. Some honestly think our talent is as good if not better than South Carolina. These same people thought our talent was as good as Missouri last Season. Do these people watch games? Do they not see we got a bill of goods on a bunch of prospects? Very frustrating to read because by mid year we will be fending off a lot of negativity.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
At least you clearly understand the consequences of your cyber-behavior. If I may offer a gentle suggestion, never, under any circumstances, admit it if you find yourself in agreement with a member of the Reptilian Horde. It is, quite simply, unbecoming of a Tennessee fan.
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Rex... pardon me but isn't your screen name :thumbsup:reptilian?
 
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sjt18 said:
If Jones loses 7 games this year he will have lost to at least one team with less talent in his first two years as HC. Heat should escalate on Jones if that happens. He should not be fired after two seasons but he should definitely be expected to show he's up to the job in year 3.

According to the resident statistician (Daj), UT actually has more talent than 8 of the teams on their schedule this fall. I said 6 because of experience and development but he rejected those as a consistent factor. Coaching however is a fairly consistent factor. Again according to Daj, Jones has been a "plus 2" coach in his two previous stops. He avg's beating two teams per year that according to Rivals have more talent.
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We have more talent than 5 teams. I don't care what daj says, Carolina has way more talent. There is hardly anybody left from dooley's early classes which remain factored into daj's equation. Missouri has more talent. Florida has more talent. Where do you get 8 teams? That is lunacy. Nobody except vol homers think we are as talented as Carolina. As for last season, had croom and north not got hurt, we likely beat vandy who was a better team by far than we were. We did a lot of dumb things to lose that one.
 
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