Is this true? Justine transferring

[Lawdawg]

I think I recall a certain member on this forum being not all that excited about JP or her ranking when she first committed to the Lady Vols. If my memory serves me correctly. Y’all tore him a new one at the time.

 

[cwbytruckers]

You don’t think she got an opportunity in practice, or do u think she was outplaying everyone in practice and the coaches just decided not to play her?

She never got the extended minutes to prove anything. She couldnt have been worse than Darby, Puckett, Striplin, Powell, Walker or Franklin. Im just saying she needed more minutes. She was an McDonalds all american for a reason. And with no recruits signed for this year. You cant just let the 11th rated player walk. You have to try and keep her and give her a shot to improve. But some of you all will defend Piss Poor Coaching until the last day they are here. Just like you all probably thought HW was the second coming of PS. We need a proven winner as a head coach.

 

[GameTime]

You don’t think she got an opportunity in practice, or do u think she was outplaying everyone in practice and the coaches just decided not to play her?

Do you think Puckett was out playing everyone in practice....The girl was a defensive disaster, she could not guard a folding chair, and still can't.

Justine was a casualty to the "I don't like change" mantra of Harper...That phrase, that she is so proud of, will be her undoing....Each opponent knows what she is going to have her players do...Perhaps that is why she had such a bad record against certain opponents...They know her playbook, that she will not deviate from....

Justine is wise to get the hell out of here....

 

[glv98]

Do you think Puckett was out playing everyone in practice....The girl was a defensive disaster, she could not guard a folding chair, and still can't.

Justine was a casualty to the "I don't like change" mantra of Harper...That phrase, that she is so proud of, will be her undoing....Each opponent knows what she is going to have her players do...Perhaps that is why she had such a bad record against certain opponents...They know her playbook, that she will not deviate from....

Justine is wise to get the hell out of here....

So you do actually think Justine was outperforming others in practice and somehow cheated out of minutes she showed the coaches she deserved? Why do you think all four of them came to that decision? She'd help us, but let's not use her. Why?

I know Justine will forever be the great Lost Cause for some. Nothing will change that. But sometimes things really are as simple as they seem. Justine was just not ready.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

She never got the extended minutes to prove anything. She couldnt have been worse than Darby, Puckett, Striplin, Powell, Walker or Franklin. Im just saying she needed more minutes. She was an McDonalds all american for a reason. And with no recruits signed for this year. You cant just let the 11th rated player walk. You have to try and keep her and give her a shot to improve. But some of you all will defend Piss Poor Coaching until the last day they are here. Just like you all probably thought HW was the second coming of PS. We need a proven winner as a head coach.

Sometimes u over value the player, it happens in every sport, me personally I didn’t see it when she played, she looked lost most of the time. Let’s just see what she does at another school, if she turns into a All American then it was all on us. But I’ve seen plenty of players leave here and they didn’t nothing at the other schools.

 

[Voltopia]

Do you think Puckett was out playing everyone in practice....The girl was a defensive disaster, she could not guard a folding chair, and still can't.

Justine was a casualty to the "I don't like change" mantra of Harper...That phrase, that she is so proud of, will be her undoing....Each opponent knows what she is going to have her players do...Perhaps that is why she had such a bad record against certain opponents...They know her playbook, that she will not deviate from....

Justine is wise to get the hell out of here....

Wait, hold up, you're calling Puckett a defensive disaster, in a comparison with Pissott? That's wild. That's seriously wild.

And frankly, you know, you can go right ahead and trash Puckett's contributions all you want, at least Puckett is sticking it out and wants to play for Tennessee.

 

[Majors]

Do you think Puckett was out playing everyone in practice....The girl was a defensive disaster, she could not guard a folding chair, and still can't.

Justine was a casualty to the "I don't like change" mantra of Harper...That phrase, that she is so proud of, will be her undoing....Each opponent knows what she is going to have her players do...Perhaps that is why she had such a bad record against certain opponents...They know her playbook, that she will not deviate from....

Justine is wise to get the hell out of here....

That’s the other side to the Justine practice view is the production by others getting meaningful playing time.

 

[Rooster1]

There's one playing small forward. Name's Jackson. Ya'll gotta make your way out of the 1900s. Recruiting is now ongoing. Portal with proven players counts the very same as high school unproven.

Likely counts even more now tbh

 

[Rooster1]

I speak 4 anguages, including French. When i saw that Rocky Top written in French, I'm thinking maybe a recruit from French area

I speak three, two fluently. I like to recall the old saying of “beware making fun of someone with an accent, it likely means they speak at least one more language than you do”…………think on that one.

 

[Deebowbear]

Wait, hold up, you're calling Puckett a defensive disaster, in a comparison with Pissott? That's wild. That's seriously wild.

And frankly, you know, you can go right ahead and trash Puckett's contributions all you want, at least Puckett is sticking it out and wants to play for Tennessee.

I like Puckett but she did get caught standing and holding the bag a lot. She is not quick enough it’s like she was out of position all year

 

[Rooster1]

I like Puckett but she did get caught standing and holding the bag a lot. She is not quick enough it’s like she was out of position all year

Sarah had a huge soph slump, no question. Would surprise me if she didn’t improve a bunch next season, she has some legit skills. She won’t make any all SEC defensive teams, probably ever. But she has the skills to be way better than we saw this season, she needs to get her mojo back.

Caroline took a big jump this year, if she does that one more time she is a serious player. Jill is probably an All SEC type waiting to happen, she has high ceiling.

 

[GameTime]

That’s the other side to the Justine practice view is the production by others getting meaningful playing time.

Good post Major....None of us were at practice so we can't say with any certainty how anyone performed at practice...

I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with anyone on this board about Justine....I was a fan of Justine and don't give a damn whether anyone else is, was, or not....

They have their entitled opinions, and I have mine...

Good day.....

 

[Majors]

Good post Major....None of us were at practice so we can't say with any certainty how anyone performed at practice...

I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with anyone on this board about Justine....I was a fan of Justine and don't give a damn whether anyone else is, was, or not....

They have their entitled opinions, and I have mine...

Good day.....

Only way to be on a message boards of opinions.

 

[Rooster1]

Good post Major....None of us were at practice so we can't say with any certainty how anyone performed at practice...

I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with anyone on this board about Justine....I was a fan of Justine and don't give a damn whether anyone else is, was, or not....

They have their entitled opinions, and I have mine...

Good day.....

@GameTime Go to potpourri

 

[madtownvol]

I don't think KJH is as reflexively opposed to the 3 ball as you do. She's just never had anyone who can reliably shoot it, especially against top competition. But Tess certainly seemed to have a green light, as did Puckett and even Justine in the limited mins she played. JH and Rickea only seemed hesitant bc neither was historically statistically very good at it.

I'd be very surprised if improving her 3 ball is not #1 on Rickea's offseason to do list. If she can ratchet it up by about 5% pts, she will be unstoppable offensively and also a much better WNBA player. I expect Wells to have the green light for outside shooting, pretty sure it was one of the reasons we got her. Hopefully we're also working on getting a shooting guard who can actually shoot AND guard. So I fully expect, and hope, the 3 will be a big part of our game next season.

Of course w the return of Key and the emergence of a developing gem in Jill, we'll want to get the ball inside some. But hopefully we'll be able to find the balance btw inside and outside we've been missing for so long. I don't think the coaching staff is opposed to that at all.

That is fair. Let me clarify my previous over generalization. The issue is a matter of emphasis. For example, Iowa is not opposed to lay-ups and paint points but they use the three (and the threat of the three) to set up those other options,. Kellie's offense is the opposite-- pound the paint to create some open looks here and there and use the three as a last resort when you can't work the ball inside. I think Kellie's head would explode if someone took a 3 early in the shot clock before the post offense was fully set. You are right that this team had a paucity of three point shooters but coach Harper never used any of their early season mismatch games to see if they could run a spread offense by giving Justine, Sara, and Karo (who has decent shot) more chances. We were a poor three point shooting in most games but perhaps it was because it was often the shot taken under desperate circumstances, shot clock expiring and so on.

Like I said, I am off this soap box. We have seen the offense that Kellie likes to run and that is what it is going to be, I just hope the LVs can do it better and more consistently next season. I think Kellie will have the pieces for that better result to happen.

 

[Voluble2]

Wait, hold up, you're calling Puckett a defensive disaster, in a comparison with Pissott? That's wild. That's seriously wild.

And frankly, you know, you can go right ahead and trash Puckett's contributions all you want, at least Puckett is sticking it out and wants to play for Tennessee.

It really is not wild at all. I can't even count the times I have seen Sara jump out of the way of someone trying to score under the basket this year. It is the oddest thing I have ever seen. And I don't mean avoiding a blocking call. I mean intentionally taking herself out of the play and giving the offensive player room to operate.

So yeah, Sara is "sticking it out" because she got tons of playing time while she was producing nothing. That isn't going to happen anywhere else. I like her, but let's be honest here. She had no business being on the court if she wasn't playing any better than she was most of the year.

Listen, I was the one who initially pointed out the problems with Justine's release (which she seemed to have improved) and that her percentage from 3 wasn't all that great. I also thought she was overrated at 11 or wherever she ended up by quite a bit. But it seemed pretty clear she had a skillset that we needed and the others did not have. Hell, she was pretty much the only one of the team who could make a decent entry pass. A good coach would have found a way to develop those skills and use them. Darby and Puckett have a definite ceiling and are already near it. Justine never even got in the flow. She had some games that were disasters where she was out of position etc... like any freshman, but she also flashed some things that showed there was potential there the others don't have. You have to invest some court time in someone like her. If she doesn't pan out (and she might not) you are no worse off.

The previous year I thought it was Striplin who got the shaft because while it was obvious she wasn't all that athletic, she is highly skilled and has excellent fundamentals. Kellie is just terrible at personnel management. And that scheduling disaster was exactly the wrong thing for this team which needed to build chemistry with so many new players. That and the musical chair lineups kept them from ever clicking as a team.

Imagine coming in as a freshman and being thrown into that chaos where you aren't surrounded by a well oiled machine where the other players know their roles, but rather one where you have no idea who is going to be on the floor, where they are going to be at, or what role they are supposed to play in any given situation. Basketball is about chemistry, and Kellie worked really, really hard to make sure we couldn't build any. In fact, I can't think of much she would have done differently had it been her goal to make sure we did not develop any. That is why it took the whole year to round into any sort of shape.

Anyway, Justine is not gone yet. But it would be just about the most UT thing ever if thinking we were getting a player who doesn't end up signing here was what pushed her to put her name in the portal and we had to try to re-recruit her.

 

[Rooster1]

It really is not wild at all. I can't even count the times I have seen Sara jump out of the way of someone trying to score under the basket this year. It is the oddest thing I have ever seen. And I don't mean avoiding a blocking call. I mean intentionally taking herself out of the play and giving the offensive player room to operate.

So yeah, Sara is "sticking it out" because she got tons of playing time while she was producing nothing. That isn't going to happen anywhere else. I like her, but let's be honest here. She had no business being on the court if she wasn't playing any better than she was most of the year.

Listen, I was the one who initially pointed out the problems with Justine's release (which she seemed to have improved) and that her percentage from 3 wasn't all that great. I also thought she was overrated at 11 or wherever she ended up by quite a bit. But it seemed pretty clear she had a skillset that we needed and the others did not have. Hell, she was pretty much the only one of the team who could make a decent entry pass. A good coach would have found a way to develop those skills and use them. Darby and Puckett have a definite ceiling and are already near it. Justine never even got in the flow. She had some games that were disasters where she was out of position etc... like any freshman, but she also flashed some things that showed there was potential there the others don't have. You have to invest some court time in someone like her. If she doesn't pan out (and she might not) you are no worse off.

The previous year I thought it was Striplin who got the shaft because while it was obvious she wasn't all that athletic, she is highly skilled and has excellent fundamentals. Kellie is just terrible at personnel management. And that scheduling disaster was exactly the wrong thing for this team which needed to build chemistry with so many new players. That and the musical chair lineups kept them from ever clicking as a team.

Imagine coming in as a freshman and being thrown into that chaos where you aren't surrounded by a well oiled machine where the other players know their roles, but rather one where you have no idea who is going to be on the floor, where they are going to be at, or what role they are supposed to play in any given situation. Basketball is about chemistry, and Kellie worked really, really hard to make sure we couldn't build any. In fact, I can't think of much she would have done differently had it been her goal to make sure we did not develop any. That is why it took the whole year to round into any sort of shape.

Anyway, Justine is not gone yet. But it would be just about the most UT thing ever if thinking we were getting a player who doesn't end up signing here was what pushed her to put her name in the portal and we had to try to re-recruit her.

You think that was what happened?I am asking btw….

 

[StorrsCentral]

Justine left because she sees the handwriting on the wall. Some freshmen can make an impact right away, some need time to fit in and get acclimated to the speed and physicality of major college basketball. This past year, with all the kids that came in from the portal, Kellie spent most of her time trying to get the chemistry right with all the new people, but the result of that was that the development of Justine was put on the back burner. Now, with no high school recruits coming in for next year, the team again will have to go to the portal to fill in the roster. From Justines point of view, the same scenario will be occurring. I'm sure she loves Tennessee, but she foresees herself sitting on the bench again. Two years wasted, so I believe that is why she made the decision. Tennessees recruiting is in a rut, and the answer is in the staff, whether it is Kellie or her assistants. Think about it, only one recruit in two years to one of the most storied programs in the history of this sport. Something has to change because this is not normal. Just look around, who else has this problem?

 

[LadyVol1908]

Justine left because she sees the handwriting on the wall. Some freshmen can make an impact right away, some need time to fit in and get acclimated to the speed and physicality of major college basketball. This past year, with all the kids that came in from the portal, Kellie spent most of her time trying to get the chemistry right with all the new people, but the result of that was that the development of Justine was put on the back burner. Now, with no high school recruits coming in for next year, the team again will have to go to the portal to fill in the roster. From Justines point of view, the same scenario will be occurring. I'm sure she loves Tennessee, but she foresees herself sitting on the bench again. Two years wasted, so I believe that is why she made the decision. Tennessees recruiting is in a rut, and the answer is in the staff, whether it is Kellie or her assistants. Think about it, only one recruit in two years to one of the most storied programs in the history of this sport. Something has to change because this is not normal. Just look around, who else has this problem?

Good to hear from an outside point of view because when the call is coming from inside the house, nobody is picking up!

 

[Go aeiou]

Do you think Puckett was out playing everyone in practice....The girl was a defensive disaster, she could not guard a folding chair, and still can't.

Justine was a casualty to the "I don't like change" mantra of Harper...That phrase, that she is so proud of, will be her undoing....Each opponent knows what she is going to have her players do...Perhaps that is why she had such a bad record against certain opponents...They know her playbook, that she will not deviate from....

Justine is wise to get the hell out of here....

Is it "don't like" or is it "unable to change"? Has she been able to make significant changes during the game or for a season to make the most of her best players?

 

[Majors]

Justine left because she sees the handwriting on the wall. Some freshmen can make an impact right away, some need time to fit in and get acclimated to the speed and physicality of major college basketball. This past year, with all the kids that came in from the portal, Kellie spent most of her time trying to get the chemistry right with all the new people, but the result of that was that the development of Justine was put on the back burner. Now, with no high school recruits coming in for next year, the team again will have to go to the portal to fill in the roster. From Justines point of view, the same scenario will be occurring. I'm sure she loves Tennessee, but she foresees herself sitting on the bench again. Two years wasted, so I believe that is why she made the decision. Tennessees recruiting is in a rut, and the answer is in the staff, whether it is Kellie or her assistants. Think about it, only one recruit in two years to one of the most storied programs in the history of this sport. Something has to change because this is not normal. Just look around, who else has this problem?

Solid assessment…I’d only say, Justine was a long time commitment which to me adds to that potential of wasted time. But agree, what other program is having the issues of recruits. Self reflection and it starts with the staff from reevaluating recruiting coord to her husband and making hard choices for the greater good of the Tennessee brand.

 

[Go aeiou]

Solid assessment…I’d only say, Justine was a long time commitment which to me adds to that potential of wasted time. But agree, what other program is having the issues of recruits. Self reflection and it starts with the staff from reevaluating recruiting coord to her husband and making hard choices for the greater good of the Tennessee brand.

Are there 2 recruiting coordinators?
KH's husband $140k/yr. Most orgs have rules against nepotism.

 

[Majors]

Are there 2 recruiting coordinators?
KH's husband $140k/yr. Most orgs have rules against nepotism.

No, just Sam as recruiting coord. Her husband works under the Ath. Department to get away from the nepotism.

 

[VolFuture]

No, just Sam as recruiting coord. Her husband works under the Ath. Department to get away from the nepotism.

Sad to think of husband wife duos or siblings or family as nepotism. I mean by definition I guess but it just has a negative connotation around that word.

 

[madtownvol]

Good to hear from an outside point of view because when the call is coming from inside the house, nobody is picking up!

With the exception of a very few posters, we are all "outsiders."