Is UT really that bad???

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Wylo

Wylo

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17-20? That's the best that the school could get? This is a pretty sad day when UT is taking coaches from La Tech with losing records.....
 
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Dude, you will be one of many to eat crow, this guy can coach, he can recruit as well.
 
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Wylo said:
17-20? That's the best that the school could get? This is a pretty sad day when UT is taking coaches from La Tech with losing records.....
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You realize that Lane's record is still WORSE than this, right?? But I bet you were fine with him before he bolted.
 
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Wylo said:
17-20? That's the best that the school could get? This is a pretty sad day when UT is taking coaches from La Tech with losing records.....
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what was the Auburn coach's record at Iowa St. or wherever he coached before?? And how's he doing now, hero?
 
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Wylo said:
17-20? That's the best that the school could get? This is a pretty sad day when UT is taking coaches from La Tech with losing records.....
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With Hamilton (from Clemson, BTW...no connection/loyalties to UTat all) calling the shots...I guess so. Shopping in the bargain bin for our HC position isn't going help us get back to a winning tradition anytime soon.
 
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yees kiffen still hasnt reached 17 wins yet dooley will have alot more talent ,but i know he hired him to try and keep the majority of recruits and go back recruiting sunday or monday .but before kiffen got hired i was thinking myself this has got to be one of the top 12 jobs in the country in college football
 
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tabrams said:
what was the Auburn coach's record at Iowa St. or wherever he coached before?? And how's he doing now, hero?
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he had an 8-5 season with several of those wins being due to a good OC in Malzahn. Chizik is a fraud and Auburn will be pretty much irrelevant as long as he's in charge.

tennessee's hire today was roughly the equivalent of auburn giving a contract to the former iowa st head coach last offseason.
 
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We're down 20 scholarship players to begin with. Our recruiting class, regardless of who we hired, would be pretty tenuous. The new coach would have very little time to try to salvage the class and go find guys to replace the ones who leave. So that puts the new coach three years back, talent wise, while playing in the toughest conference in the country and for a fanbase that is only going to give him two or three years to succeed.

This job is a shiat sandwich right now. That's why Hamilton had to go so far down the line to find somebody willing to take a bite.
 
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bosgap said:
yees kiffen still hasnt reached 17 wins yet dooley will have alot more talent ,but i know he hired him to try and keep the majority of recruits and go back recruiting sunday or monday .but before kiffen got hired i was thinking myself this has got to be one of the top 12 jobs in the country in college football
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Listen...guys I applaud your trying to be optimistic and all. But this is business. In any crucial hiring transaction, you don't hang your business on a hope.

You pay extra to get someone to run it with impeccable qualifications. As far as I can tell, we made NO attempt whatsoever to do that.
 
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Starting to sound a familar tone when we hired some unknown by the name of ...Bruce something...oh...Bruce Pearl
 
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
Listen...guys I applaud your trying to be optimistic and all. But this is business. In any crucial hiring transaction, you don't hang your business on a hope.

You pay extra to get someone to run it with impeccable qualifications. As far as I can tell, we made NO attempt whatsoever to do that.
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Not to be a dick, but you have NO FSCKING IDEA what attempt Hamilton made to get any of the other coaches who were rumored to be coming here. Sitting in your living room clicking refresh doesn't give you any insight into the process. You don't even know what city he interviewed these people in.

I don't think Hamilton is any great AD or anything, and this is a gigantically risky hire, but for fans who have been following this on Twitter and message boards to be complaining about how Hamilton handled the process is just crap. None of us have any idea what went down at any stage of it. And the fact is that taking the Tennessee job right now is a risky career move for a lot of these guys.
 
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wkhardplayhard said:
We took a coach that was 5-15 last year...what's your point?
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That coach brought one of the best defensive coordinators of all time , the best recruiters of all time , and a staff of very well respected recruiters / position coaches. Plus Kiffin was a proven OC at a high level ...and hired another proven OC .

I think those guys are low lifes of the lowest order in how they handled leaving ...but that is a noteworthy difference.
 
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Wylo said:
17-20? That's the best that the school could get? This is a pretty sad day when UT is taking coaches from La Tech with losing records.....
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This was a good hire IMO dont know what you thought was best after we got turned down 19 times.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
We're down 20 scholarship players to begin with. Our recruiting class, regardless of who we hired, would be pretty tenuous. The new coach would have very little time to try to salvage the class and go find guys to replace the ones who leave. So that puts the new coach three years back, talent wise, while playing in the toughest conference in the country and for a fanbase that is only going to give him two or three years to succeed.

This job is a shiat sandwich right now. That's why Hamilton had to go so far down the line to find somebody willing to take a bite.
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That's what this fanbase has morphed into over the past 7-9yrs...the University of Low Expectations.

Part of our class this year was from the No.1 overall class in 05 IIRC....we had a Top 10 class last year and a Top 5 this year. A coach like Wittingham or Patterson could go hog wild with that much talent. I am just amazed at how many fans now are selling this program short...an willing to rummage through the dipsy dumpster for a HC.

Say..that sa'mmich has still got some meat on it. Ooohh!
 
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bosgap said:
before kiffen got hired i was thinking myself this has got to be one of the top 12 jobs in the country in college football
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In some ways, yes, in some ways no.

Tennessee is a great place to coach, it has great fan support and a tradition rivaled by few other programs.

It's also a place with a lot of challenges. Tennessee high school football isn't all that good. A coach at Alabama, Georgia, LSU or Florida can have a really good team just by getting the best players in their backyard. That doesn't work at Tennessee. You try that strategy at UT, and you've got MTSU's talent. And you'll get your butt kicked.

A coach at Tennessee has to recruit nationally and he has to be able to consistently beat other schools for out-of-state talent. Phil Fulmer's downfall was simply that he got to a point where he wasn't able to do this enough.

Another reason some coaches won't come to UT is simply because we're in the SEC. The best way to get a crack at the national championship is to go undefeated. To go undefeated at Tennessee, you have to beat Alabama and Florida. Some guys welcome the challenge, but a lot of others are just looking for the path of least resistance.
 
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Oh, and "impeccable qualifications"? Hamilton had four days at the rear end of the coaching carousel, starting from an absolute dead stop, to find somebody to take over a program with a probation-level roster. You're simply not going to find somebody with "impeccable qualifications" in that circumstance. That's what you get with a month-long coaching search in November and December, not while you're scrambling in mid-January.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
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Not to be a dick, but you have NO FSCKING IDEA what attempt Hamilton made to get any of the other coaches who were rumored to be coming here. Sitting in your living room clicking refresh doesn't give you any insight into the process. You don't even know what city he interviewed these people in.

I don't think Hamilton is any great AD or anything, and this is a gigantically risky hire, but for fans who have been following this on Twitter and message boards to be complaining about how Hamilton handled the process is just crap. None of us have any idea what went down at any stage of it. And the fact is that taking the Tennessee job right now is a risky career move for a lot of these guys.
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it all comes down to just being an extremely bad time of the year to start a coaching search. not many big name coaches are going to want to leave their team when they've got a responsibility for keeping things in order 3 weeks before national signing day. i mean, who would do something like that........












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Vercingetorix said:
Oh, and "impeccable qualifications"? Hamilton had four days at the rear end of the coaching carousel, starting from an absolute dead stop, to find somebody to take over a program with a probation-level roster. You're simply not going to find somebody with "impeccable qualifications" in that circumstance. That's what you get with a month-long coaching search in November and December, not while you're scrambling in mid-January.
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Then why did we HAVE to hire somebody now? Why not just write off a year, or two at the most and get the program back on track rather than setting us back another 5 or more years.
 
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GahLee said:
Dude, you will be one of many to eat crow, this guy can coach, he can recruit as well.
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I will be the first in line to eat crow , and I will enjoy every bit of it.

How do you know he can recruit ? He worked for Saban all of those years. He appears to have recruited well when he was with Saban ...but he has been gone quite awhile ...and Saban is still one of the best recruiters there is with no fall off. If anything he looks to have improved. Could it be that Saban was a great recruiter then and still is ?

He can coach ? What do you base this on ? One 8 win season ? He is coming to the NFL Minor League and will be knee deep in one of the toughest schedules in the nation. I hope you and Hamilton have found enough evidence in that one 8 win season to believe he can coach at this level .
 
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volsof09 said:
This was a good hire IMO dont know what you thought was best after we got turned down 19 times.
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Can you please show some evidence that we were turned down? I'm sick of hearing that. They can't accept what Hamilton doesn't offer.

For example, if Hamilton has his search staff ask Wittingham what sort of salary it would take to interest him in the job...and he tells Hammy $4mill...just like Saban and Meyer...and then hammy thinks he can swing a decent candidate for half that...that's not being turned down outright. That's an AD trying to find the best deal he can get....we don't need to be shopping for a deal. We need to identify our most qualified candidates and expend EVERY effort to bring them in...ala Saban.
 
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