Is your own political ideology espoused by someone noteworthy?

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joevol33 said:
I had a teacher in grade school who was a huge historical buff, and left teaching to become a representative for Kentucky. He actually held a school wide presidential election with our class, with debates broadcast on our tv network. I won the democratic nomination, then won the presidency of our grade school. He got me hooked, especially with JFK stuff. He was, and is a moderate Democrat, like most of my family back home. The democratic party went from moderates for the people, to die hard liberal or bust. I saw it coming, and it made me not want to be a Democrat anymore. As far as Republicans, it was actually Ken Starr and the crap about Clinton that irked me with them the most. Silly, yeah maybe, but it just turned me off. Of course they have many issues, as do Democrats, so I'm independent. Side note, that election got me into a fight that ended up with one of the worst butt whoopings I ever got. Not from the guy I fought, but my dad. I cussed at a teacher fir breaking it up, and when my parents found out, my supporters couldn't save me🤣.

And it's key lime, period!đź‘€
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Butt whoopings are the ugly side of politics.

If you have time, describe what you consider to be a moderate democrat back then and where the moderates are now (if you think there are any)?
 
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Ron Paul or Amash in the mainstream political space. Michael Malice more days than I'd like to admit. My great grandmother used to make me a butterscotch pie every visit that was amazing
 
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utvolpj said:
Ron Paul or Amash in the mainstream political space. Michael Malice more days than I'd like to admit. My great grandmother used to make me a butterscotch pie every visit that was amazing
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I've never heard of Micheal Malice, either. Sounds like a pseudonym for a movie villain.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Just watched a documentary on him , and about his descents being directly responsible for the Russian empire because they wouldn’t stop raiding them . Pretty cool , I didn’t know that .
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GK was an interesting person and he is responsible for shaping a lot the world we have today. The best book I've read about him is "Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World" by Jack Weatherford.
 
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utvolpj said:
You're pretty close actually
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Had a couple minutes. Searched Malice.

He seems to be advocating anarchy and a new right. How would you describe the point where he is balancing those two ideas?
 
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McDad said:
What was it about him you resonate with, was it the invading? the killing? the pillaging? the raping?
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Most everything you listed is a falsehood. Yes, he was a great conqueror and was responsible for the death of a lot of people but he was much more than that. He was mostly about trade, he was the first ruler to develop a currency for trading and first paper banknote because carrying chests of gold/silver across hundreds/thousands of miles were too heavy. Small coins and banknotes could be easily carried which could mean more goods could be transported. He allowed freedom of religion, banned torture and rape and established a meritocracy in place of (what was basically) an aristocracy. He was far ahead of his time, but yeah he could be brutal when he had to be.
 
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McDad said:
I've never heard of Micheal Malice, either. Sounds like a pseudonym for a movie villain.
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Pretty sure it is a pseudonym.

Don't know if you're on Twitter but he's an incredible follow there. It is very difficult for a lot of people, especially if you think in terms of simple left/right politics, to put him into a box. It makes for some great self-owns of people on come on there to argue with him. They think he's being obtuse, but his politics, agree or disagree, are more logical and straightforward than the typical mainstream conservative or progressive.
 
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hog88 said:
Most everything you listed is a falsehood. Yes, he was a great conqueror and was responsible for the death of a lot of people but he was much more than that. He was mostly about trade, he was the first ruler to develop a currency for trading and first paper banknote because carrying chests of gold/silver across hundreds/thousands of miles were too heavy. Small coins and banknotes could be easily carried which could mean more goods could be transported. He allowed freedom of religion, banned torture and rape and established a meritocracy in place of (what was basically) an aristocracy. He was far ahead of his time, but yeah he could be brutal when he had to be.
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McDad got learned today.

Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
 
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McDad said:
McDad got learned today.

Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
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Read that book I mentioned earlier, it's not a page turner by any means but it's a fascinating look at GK, The Mongol Empire and how it effected the modern world.
 
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hog88 said:
Read that book I mentioned earlier, it's not a page turner by any means but it's a fascinating look at GK, The Mongol Empire and how it effected the modern world.
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I don't have a lot of time for reading, but I will check into it. Thanks.
 
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McDad said:
Had a couple minutes. Searched Malice.

He seems to be advocating anarchy and a new right. How would you describe the point where he is balancing those two ideas?
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Does he advocate for the new right or simply identify them as an enemy of an enemy? I've always thought he was simply using them to advance his cause of dividing/dissolving the country. There are many times I'm not quite sure where he stands
 
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McDad said:
Butt whoopings are the ugly side of politics.

If you have time, describe what you consider to be a moderate democrat back then and where the moderates are now (if you think there are any)?
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Democrats used to run on policy, jobs, working class, etc. Watch a debate over the past twenty years, it'll fly by in a mention, but they've allowed social issues be their prime platform. Not that those things don't matter, but they're the ones who say race and sexuality shouldn't matter, but it's all the talk about, more than jobs. Look at this past election, and even some in these midterms, they can't talk about nothing but trump, gays, and racism. I don't care if they're black, gay, whatever, what is their stance on things that will help out country? Biden picked Harris, not for qualifications, but a woman, and a minority was his goal. Same thing for his supreme court pick, not on her record as a judge, but on the color of her skin. I don't care that she's black, but that's all that the left seems to care about. I know, tldr, jmo, twss 🤣
 
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1) Just answering the question who is most closely aligned (not complete, just closest): Ron DeSantis (for now)
2) Ronald Reagan
3) My paternal grandmother's lemon-cream-cheese pie, followed closely by pecan pie.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I got 'roped' (pardon the pun) into binge watching Yellowstone...

I guess it was a lame attempt at humor. I'll work on a serious answer
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I am oblivious to Yellowstone. I tried it but couldn't get into it.

Keep the humor.
 
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McDad said:
I no longer have any public figure who is the standard bearer for my political ideology. That realization got me to thinking. We live in a country where voters are choosing the lesser of bad candidates rather than choosing someone who articulates their views. I also think the views we discuss here are hyper-rigid because it is fun to have an outlet for our argumentative nature but many of us don't hold steadfast to the points we fight about in this forum.

So here are my questions:
1. Who is/are the current political figure(s) (elected, formerly elected, or running as candidate in elections) who most closely align with your own political ideology?

2. Who are the public figures , living or dead (authors,bloggers, thinkers, entertainers, political show hosts, deceased politicians etc), who do a great job of representing your views on how American politics should function?

3. Lastly, how many of you like pie and what is your favorite pie (even though this isn't a poll)?
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Not sure, DeSantis I guess.

Some of our founding fathers, about it.

Key lime, apple
 
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