Islam is of the Devil?

[OrangeEmpire]

And you believe God sent his son to earth as a practicing carpenter only to be ritually killed for man's indiscretions?

:ermm:

1.) I don't believe he was a practicing carpenter.

2.) I don't believe he was ritually killed.

3.) Missed the whole Iron Oxide theory??????

Oxide Theory at least makes sense rather than a random explosion in space...... but I am a stupid christian as you point out.

:hi:

 

[rjd970]

1.) I don't believe he was a practicing carpenter.

2.) I don't believe he was ritually killed.

3.) Missed the whole Iron Oxide theory??????

Oxide Theory at least makes sense rather than a random explosion in space...... but I am a stupid christian as you point out.

:hi:

You don't believe he died for our salvation...but you are still a Christian? In all honesty, I am wondering how that works.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

You don't believe he died for our salvation...but you are still a Christian? In all honesty, I am wondering how that works.

:blink:

I don't?????? You said ritually........ not me....

Jesus was crucified because of the incident in the temple.

The Bible tells us this along with 7 secular texts.

*Note, this is all from a hick narrow minded christian.

 

[gsvol]

(c. 1903) By William Muir. “The sword of Muhammad and the Qur’an (Koran) are the most fatal enemies of civilization, truth, and liberty which the world has yet known.”

(2002) By Franklin Graham. “Islam is an evil and wicked religion.”

(1997) By David Pryce-Jones. “Democracy sometimes appears paralyzed by those who take advantage of its freedoms in order to abuse them for undemocratic ends.”

(1998) By M.J. Haipur. A religion, as a man, must be judged by the fruits of having existed; what has Islam given to our world, except genocide, slavery, and denigration of the human spirit?”

(2003) By Edourd T. Nelosni. “Islam is, to the body politic of the world, as a festering pus-filled carbuncle is to the backside of a human being.”

 

[rjd970]

:blink:

I don't?????? You said ritually........ not me....

Jesus was crucified because of the incident in the temple.

The Bible tells us this along with 7 secular texts.

*Note, this is all from a hick narrow minded christian.

So you don't believe Jesus had to suffer and die for our salvation? That is what I am trying to figure out yet you don't want to give a straight answer to.

And yes, if the crucifixtion had a religious purpose and significance, then it is was ritualistic by definition. Just because you don't agree with the wording doesn't mean it is what it is.

And you don't believe Jesus was a carpenter?

 

[Oldvol75]

If you look at the way Islam views God and the way that Jews and Christians view God, they are totally different as far as "relationship" goes. Islam does not view God as Heavenly Father whereas Jews and Christians do. Islam's god is not the same as Jews and Christians.

 

[gsvol]

If you look at the way Islam views God and the way that Jews and Christians view God, they are totally different as far as "relationship" goes. Islam does not view God as Heavenly Father whereas Jews and Christians do. Islam's god is not the same as Jews and Christians.

How right you are!!

John Quincy Adams wrote in 1829:

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.

Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle.

Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion.

He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind.

THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)…

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged.

The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men."

"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.

The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective.

The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force".

 

[MWR]

I know this is an exercise in futility, but I just happened to have a little free time.

From reading this thread, I gather that some of you have a great confidence in science. And evidently some have great confidence that they possess a great amount of knowledge. And great confidence in that knowledge. And they may be correct.

I have a great appreciation for science in all the comforts it has brought to humanity. It has its place in our lives.

Here's what the Bible says about man's knowledge. The knowledge of itself is not bad, it's the place it has in your life that can make it a bad thing.

1 Corinthians 8:1 - 2
1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

1 Corinthians 13:8
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

For those who mentioned that religion is just a way for some to think they are of some value, the Bible has already been there and mentioned that.

Psalms 103:14
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

Psalms 8:3-4
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him?...


And for all those who want to debate Christianity, you have to be a Christian to understand God's word - it is spiritually discerned. The great knowledge of man is useless in spiritual matters.

It seems that some here are debating about things they are ignorant of

Romans 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Corinthians 2:13 - 14
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 1:19-23
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Again, I don't expect this post to make any difference, but you have what the Bible says. What you do with it is up to you.

 

[gsvol]

Again, I don't expect this post to make any difference, but you have what the Bible says. What you do with it is up to you.

Matthew 13:10-15

10Then the disciples came to Him and said, Why do You speak to them in parables?

11And He replied to them, To you it has been given to know the secrets and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

12For whoever has [spiritual knowledge], to him will more be given and he will be furnished richly so that he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.

13This is the reason that I speak to them in parables: because having the power of seeing, they do not see; and having the power of hearing, they do not hear, nor do they grasp and understand.

14In them indeed is the process of fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah, which says: You shall indeed hear and hear but never grasp and understand; and you shall indeed look and look but never see and perceive.

15For this nation's heart has grown gross (fat and dull), and their ears heavy and difficult of hearing, and their eyes they have tightly closed, lest they see and perceive with their eyes, and hear and comprehend the sense with their ears, and grasp and understand with their heart, and turn and I should heal them.

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Vernon Richards wrote:

"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this: "Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah" (i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has."

Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides.

The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.”

“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any "social values" whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence.

There are such "social values" today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do - that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.”

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Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.
-Omar Ahmad, Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

We must reject democracy in favor of Islam, which is the unique perfect system worked out by Allah. . .Our march has just begun and Islam will end up conquering Europe and America. . . And let no one think that we are Utopian dreamers.
-Sheikh Saeed Shaaban, quoted in L'Orient le jour, Beirut, 19 October 1983

The Koran pushes us in the exact opposite direction to the forces at work in the American political spectrum.
-Imam Zaid Shakir, former Muslim chaplain and political science professor, Yale University

Islam is not Christianity...Islam is the religion of agitation, revolution, blood, liberation and martyrdom.
-Sheikh Morteza Motahari, quoted in "Islamic Movements in the Last One Hundred Years," Tehran, 1979

People say, "Don't lie!" But the principle is different when we serve the will of Allah. He taught Man to lie so that we can save ourselves at moments of difficulty and confuse our enemies... People say, "Don't kill!" But the Almighty Himself taught us how to kill...So shall we not kill when it is necessary for the triumph of the Faith? ... Deceit, trickery, conspiracy, cheating, stealing and killing are nothing but means.
-Muhammad Navab-Safavi, key figure in the fundamentalist movement, "Islamic Society and Government," Tehran, 1946; second edition, 1985.

"The rayah is like the grass; Mow it as much as you will, still it springs up anew. Once you'd broken Bosnia's horns, you mowed down what would not be pruned, leaving only the riffraff behind so there'd be someone left to serve us and grieve before the cross."
-Muslim proverb from the time of the Ottoman Empire; "rayah" means "herd," and was a term used to describe the Christians.

 

[Brog]

The Bible is right! Look it says so right here!

 

[MWR]

The Bible is right! Look it says so right here!

2 Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Gotcha covered, also.

 

[gsvol]

2 Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Gotcha covered, also.

:lolabove:

"To be ignorant of one's own ignorance is the malady of the ignorant." --American teacher, writer and philosopher Bronson Alcott (1799-1888)

"At some point our collective heads will come up out of the sand, probably by the force of an explosion; and we'll stand, mouths agape like so many fish out of water, trying to comprehend a situation we've done our best to ignore." (speaking about islam in America) — Anonymous, 2005

 

[T-TownVol]

They are not ignorant, they know the Bible as well as any of us.
They choose not to believe it. Huge difference.... "fools" is what the Word calls them.

 

[utvolpj]

They are not ignorant, they know the Bible as well as any of us.
They choose not to believe it. Huge difference.... "fools" is what the Word calls them.

well heck, if I was writing the book I would call all those who didn't believe me fools too.

 

[T-TownVol]

well heck, if I was writing the book I would call all those who didn't believe me fools too.

exxxxactly!

 

[OrangeEmpire]

1.)So you don't believe Jesus had to suffer and die for our salvation? That is what I am trying to figure out yet you don't want to give a straight answer to.

2.) And yes, if the crucifixtion had a religious purpose and significance, then it is was ritualistic by definition. Just because you don't agree with the wording doesn't mean it is what it is.

3.) And you don't believe Jesus was a carpenter?

1.) :blink: You have lost me........... Why don't I believe that Jesus suffered and died for our salvation. You said he was ritually killed, he was killed for the disturbance in the Temple.

2.) You will have to explain the whole ritualsitic thing. He was executed for distuburing the peace in the temple. :banghead2:

3.) Why wouldn't I believe Jesus was a carpenter?
You said by trade..... His trade was evangelist.
:mf_surrender:

*Disclaimer- All this is from a God fearin, science hatin hick!

 

[rjd970]

1.) :blink: You have lost me........... Why don't I believe that Jesus suffered and died for our salvation. You said he was ritually killed, he was killed for the disturbance in the Temple.

2.) You will have to explain the whole ritualsitic thing. He was executed for distuburing the peace in the temple. :banghead2:

3.) Why wouldn't I believe Jesus was a carpenter?
You said by trade..... His trade was evangelist.
:mf_surrender:

*Disclaimer- All this is from a God fearin, science hatin hick!

So you believe a carpenter and evangelist was sent to earth 2000 years ago by God to die for our salvation.

Yet, the Big Bang is too silly to believe.

Got it.

 

[JZVOL]

So you believe a carpenter and evangelist was sent to earth 2000 years ago by God to die for our salvation.

Yet, the Big Bang is too silly to believe.

Got it.

He wasn't a carpenter or evangelist until He was on Earth... Doubt there is a big need for either in Heaven.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

So you believe a carpenter and evangelist was sent to earth 2000 years ago by God to die for our salvation.

Yet, the Big Bang is too silly to believe.

Got it.

:lolabove:

Those christians that hurt you really left a mark.

I'm sorry....

:hi:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

He wasn't a carpenter or evangelist until He was on Earth... Doubt there is a big need for either in Heaven.

 

[JZVOL]

:lolabove:

Those christians that hurt you really left a mark.

I'm sorry....

:hi:

That is 100% the truth!

 

[rjd970]

:lolabove:

Those christians that hurt you really left a mark.

I'm sorry....

:hi:

Why is it that the religious always think somebody who is antheist had to have been hurt or discouraged by religion in some way to believe the way they do? Why is it so hard to accept the fact that some people just find the beliefs absurd on its own merits?

Contrary to what most want to believe about me on here, I have no problem with the religious (as long as they aren't blowing themselves up or what not). I just think the beliefs to which they subscribe are silly.

If any of that offends you it is not my problem, it's yours.

 

[JZVOL]

Why is it that the religious always think somebody who is antheist had to have been hurt or discouraged by religion in some way to believe the way they do? Why is it so hard to accept the fact that some people just find the beliefs absurd on its own merits?

Contrary to what most want to believe about me on here, I have no problem with the religious (as long as they aren't blowing themselves up or what not). I just think the beliefs to which they subscribe are silly.

If any of that offends you it is not my problem, it's yours.

Believing in a God that loves his creation is silly yet a big rock that hits another big rock and spawns millions of different life forms randomly is not silly?
I just think the beliefs to which you subscribe are silly.

If any of that offends you it is not my problem, it's yours.

 

[droski]

personally i think anyone saying they know for a fact there is a christian god or know for a fact there isn't any sort of higher power at all is a little crazy.

 

[JZVOL]

personally i think anyone saying they know for a fact there is a christian god or know for a fact there isn't any sort of higher power at all is a little crazy.

I think anyone who is a Cal fan is crazy!