Islam is of the Devil?

#251
#251
T-TownVol said:
They are not ignorant, they know the Bible as well as any of us.
They choose not to believe it. Huge difference.... "fools" is what the Word calls them.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "know the Bible". If you mean can they have read and studied it as another book, you may be correct.

However, a person who does not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them cannot understand God's word, because it is spiritually discerned. 1 cor 2:14

What you choose to believe or not to believe is very important.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18
 
#252
#252
MWR said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "know the Bible". If you mean can they have read and studied it as another book, you may be correct.

However, a person who does not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them cannot understand God's word, because it is spiritually discerned. 1 cor 2:14

What you choose to believe or not to believe is very important.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18
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Exactly.
 
#254
#254
droski said:
personally i think anyone saying they know for a fact there is a christian god or know for a fact there isn't any sort of higher power at all is a little crazy.
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I can understand this point of view coming from someone who does not know Jesus as their savior. The Bible tells us that things will happen this way.

Knowing there is a God is not something Christians just decide to believe. The indwelling Holy Spirit, that all Christians have, bears witness to this, brings the words of the Bible to our rememberance when needed, and overall guides our lives.

And before you start to wonder why Christians bring a shame and reproach on their Savior, the church and often upon themselves, here's why. Christians don't always obey. Choices.
 
#255
#255
MWR said:
I can understand this point of view coming from someone who does not know Jesus as their savior. The Bible tells us that things will happen this way.

Knowing there is a God is not something Christians just decide to believe. The indwelling Holy Spirit, that all Christians have, bears witness to this, brings the words of the Bible to our rememberance when needed, and overall guides our lives.

And before you start to wonder why Christians bring a shame and reproach on their Savior, the church and often upon themselves, here's why. Christians don't always obey. Choices.
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i repect your and other christians' beliefs, it's just hard for me to be 100% sure about something that I have no real proof of. I'm sure there are a lot of christians that aren't 100% sure btw, i just wanted to clarify my opinion. i.e. i don't think all christians are a little crazy just those without any doubt.
 
#256
#256
JZVOL said:
Believing in a God that loves his creation is silly yet a big rock that hits another big rock and spawns millions of different life forms randomly is not silly?

I just think the beliefs to which you subscribe are silly.

If any of that offends you it is not my problem, it's yours.
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Where did I say my beliefs were not any less silly?

I was responding to OE who said the Big Bang is too silly to believe, yet he subscribes to certain Judeo-Christian beliefs. It was like pulling teeth for him to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer to whether he believed Jesus suffered and died for our salvation.

I'm not offended in the least, you have your reasons and I have mine. But my experience has been that it is the believer who gets offended and and retorts with attacks and petty attempts at being cute.

See post #223 as exhibit A.
 
#258
#258
rjd970 said:
Where did I say my beliefs were not any less silly?

I was responding to OE who said the Big Bang is too silly to believe, yet he subscribes to certain Judeo-Christian beliefs. It was like pulling teeth for him to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer to whether he believed Jesus suffered and died for our salvation.

I'm not offended in the least, you have your reasons and I have mine. But my experience has been that it is the non-believer who gets offended and and retorts with attacks and petty attempts at being cute.

See post #223 as exhibit A.
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See post #216 as exhibit B.

See post #219 as exhibit C.
 
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#259
#259
rjd970 said:
1.) Why is it that the religious always think somebody who is antheist had to have been hurt or discouraged by religion in some way to believe the way they do? Why is it so hard to accept the fact that some people just find the beliefs absurd on its own merits?

2.) Contrary to what most want to believe about me on here, I have no problem with the religious (as long as they aren't blowing themselves up or what not). I just think the beliefs to which they subscribe are silly.

3.) If any of that offends you it is not my problem, it's yours.
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1.) You said you had the experience.... :mf_surrender:

2.) :lolabove:

3.) :tease2:
 
#260
#260
droski said:
i repect your and other christians' beliefs, it's just hard for me to be 100% sure about something that I have no real proof of. I'm sure there are a lot of christians that aren't 100% sure btw, i just wanted to clarify my opinion. i.e. i don't think all christians are a little crazy just those without any doubt.
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:hi:
 
#261
#261
rjd970 said:
Where did I say my beliefs were not any less silly?

I was responding to OE who said the Big Bang is too silly to believe, yet he subscribes to certain Judeo-Christian beliefs. It was like pulling teeth for him to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer to whether he believed Jesus suffered and died for our salvation.

I'm not offended in the least, you have your reasons and I have mine. But my experience has been that it is the believer who gets offended and and retorts with attacks and petty attempts at being cute.

See post #223 as exhibit A.
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You are still harping on this............ you had to pull my teeth?????

:blink:
 
#266
#266
rjd970 said:
My wife is also smarter than me, just ask her about it.
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My wife says just the opposite, otoh she is a confirmed liar.

This reminds me of the young boys who wanted to know if they could go squirrel hunting up behind my house and I said OK.

So they went up and sat beneath a beech tree waiting for the squirels to come feed and one of them discovered a pint fruit jar filled with shine underneath him, left over from an old moonshine still and so they shared that and then dug about for more of the same and discovered a brass lamp.

As they rubbed the dirt off it, a genie appeared and said; "I will fulfill three wishes, since there are three of you, you each get one wish."

So the smartest of the bunch said; "I'm first and I want you to make me the smartest man in the world."

"Poof" said the genie; "you are now the smartest man in the world."

The next one thought for a while and said; "I want to be twice as smart as the smartest man in the world."

"Poof" said the genie, "you are now twice as smart as the smartest man in the world."

The third one thought and thought and thought and then said; "I want you to make me ten times as smart as the smartest man in the world!"

"Poof, said the genie, "You are now ten times s smart as the smartest man in the world, but that comes with a warning, you now half as smart as the dumbest woman in the world."

While we on that topic, let us know that

What you don't get on the six o'clock news.


Women subject to islam get a raw deal.

Under islam women are chattel, worth no more than a donkey.
 
#268
#268
MWR said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "know the Bible". If you mean can they have read and studied it as another book, you may be correct.

However, a person who does not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them cannot understand God's word, because it is spiritually discerned. 1 cor 2:14

What you choose to believe or not to believe is very important.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18
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+1
 
#269
#269
MWR said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "know the Bible". If you mean can they have read and studied it as another book, you may be correct.

However, a person who does not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them cannot understand God's word, because it is spiritually discerned. 1 cor 2:14

What you choose to believe or not to believe is very important.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18
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I did not say anything about them being a Christian or having the Holy Spirit. I hope your little sermon was for their sake not mine.
 
#270
#270
T-TownVol said:
I did not say anything about them being a Christian or having the Holy Spirit. I hope your little sermon was for their sake not mine.
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Maybe I didn't express my point very well, or maybe you didn't get it. Whatever the case, no big deal.

My point is that knowing the Bible is not the same as understanding it - you have to have the Spirit to understand.

And I can understand you not understanding this. No big deal here either.
 
#274
#274
666 said:
Your momma.
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:cray:

Uh oh, religion is based on faith............. guess what is on the christian....

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