Islam is of the Devil?

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joevol320 said:
i think it's funny that people like you think that humans are the sole might and ultimate power of this world.
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I think it's funny that greater than 80% of this country's population believe that higher power is best explained by a 2000 year old myth of a jewish carpenter being ritually sacrificed for all past, present, and future sins of his followers, and then magically rising from the dead after 3 days.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think it's funny that greater than 80% of this country's population believe that higher power is best explained by a 2000 year old myth of a jewish carpenter being ritually sacrificed for all past, present, and future sins of his followers, and then magically rising from the dead after 3 days.
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Why is it funny?
 
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rjd970 said:
I think it's funny that greater than 80% of this country's population believe that higher power is best explained by a 2000 year old myth of a jewish carpenter being ritually sacrificed for all past, present, and future sins of his followers, and then magically rising from the dead after 3 days.
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if it was just a myth, then why is Israel, a tiny country in the middle east, is hated so much by most of the world. if all the bible was just myth, then why have the jewish people be persecuted for thousands of years. it's because Israeli nation is living proof that Christ did live. and if Christ did live, then there is a good possibility that God does exist.
 
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rjd970 said:
Not believing it. Believing in a higher being is one thing, believing it is the prayer answering, miracle-reaking God of organized religion and everyday conversation is another thing.
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and your theory is. . .? <note i am an agnostic>
 
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rjd970 said:
Not believing it. Believing in a higher being is one thing, believing it is the prayer answering, miracle-reaking God of organized religion and everyday conversation is another thing.
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I don't care exactly what anyone's belief is, just interested in how it might be any more logical?
 
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joevol320 said:
if it was just a myth, then why is Israel, a tiny country in the middle east, is hated so much by most of the world. if all the bible was just myth, then why have the jewish people be persecuted for thousands of years. it's because Israeli nation is living proof that Christ did live. and if Christ did live, then there is a good possibility that God does exist.
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or it's proof that thousands of years of evolution still hasn't cured stupidity. And are you really basing your proof of god existing on the beliefs of Muslims?
 
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utvolpj said:
or it's proof that thousands of years of evolution still hasn't cured stupidity. And are you really basing your proof of god existing on the beliefs of Muslims?
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How is placing one's faith in Jesus Christ stupidity as opposed to believing nothing or just a higher power?
 
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utvolpj said:
or it's proof that thousands of years of evolution still hasn't cured stupidity. And are you really basing your proof of god existing on the beliefs of Muslims?
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just like thousands of years hasn't cured people from being A-holes.

no it's not based upon any muslim beliefs.
 
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JZVOL said:
How is placing one's faith in Jesus Christ stupidity as opposed to believing nothing or just a higher power?
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I was talking about the persecution of Jews because of their beliefs.

I don't care one way or the other but anyone who thinks someone else is less of a person or should die because of their views is ignorant. We still haven't gotten past that in thousands of years
 
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rjd970 said:
Jews deny all that as well. I guess you feel the same way about them as you do Muslims?
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Not the exact same feelings (911 probably has something to do with that) but I believe they are both wrong.

Jews do believe that Jesus died on the cross. The pharisees and sadducees are the ones who had him put there.

lawgator1 said:
And Catholics worship Marry. Is that idolatry?
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Catholics dont "worship" Mary. Catholics will tell you that honoring the saints and Mary is not worship. The Catholic religion worships God alone.
 
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JZVOL said:
How is placing one's faith in Jesus Christ stupidity as opposed to believing nothing or just a higher power?
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because saying it's stupid helps people justify that whatever they want to do is fine and they'll not be held accountable.
 
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utvolpj said:
I was talking about the persecution of Jews because of their beliefs.

I don't care one way or the other but anyone who thinks someone else is less of a person or should die because of their views is ignorant. We still haven't gotten past that in thousands of years
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So am I ignorant if I believe Hitler was less of a person and should have died?
 
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droski said:
and your theory is. . .? <note i am an agnostic>
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Although I don't believe it, a higher being is a possibility. I personally believe if you look at the vast exapanse of the universe, large numbers dictates it is not all that unreasonable to believe we happened by chance, and if fact there are probably other civilizations out there.

And if we happened by chance, then that casts a pretty serious cloud over the fact that the universe was "created" by the same being that supposedly "created" us. It all regresses back to something, and to simply say "God" is infinite and outside time at the end of the regression is not an argument against me simply saying the "universe" is infinite and outside of time. After all, we can actually see the universe.

allvol123 said:
I don't care exactly what anyone's belief is, just interested in how it might be any more logical?
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The skeptics bread and butter is "We don't know". Religion's is "certainty", with changes or modifications to the said "certainty" as need be and we get smarter. The "We don't know" approach is far more logical IMO. Faith, by definition, is belief without evidence.
 
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SycloneJoe said:
Jews do believe that Jesus died on the cross. The pharisees and sadducees are the ones who had him put there.
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As do I. But the statement was died for our sins, which they absolutely do not believe, as with any non-Christian.
 
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droski said:
compared to?
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I'm not the one claiming that a deity exists without a scintilla of actual evidence supporting my premise. My thoughts on the origin of the universe/man tend to loosely track Big Bang/Evolutionary thought. There is at least a significant amount of science in that camp. However, at the end of the day, I really don't care. I just get a kick out of people thinking a character every bit as real as Spiderman is running the show.
 
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rjd970 said:
The skeptics bread and butter is "We don't know". Religion's is "certainty", with changes or modifications to the said "certainty" as need be and we get smarter. The "We don't know" approach is far more logical IMO. Faith, by definition, is belief without evidence.
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Sorry but I don't buy happenstance as being any more logical than someone's belief in religion. IMO.
 
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rjd970 said:
Although I don't believe it, a higher being is a possibility. I personally believe if you look at the vast exapanse of the universe, large numbers dictates it is not all that unreasonable to believe we happened by chance, and if fact there are probably other civilizations out there.

And if we happened by chance, then that casts a pretty serious cloud over the fact that the universe was "created" by the same being that supposedly "created" us. It all regresses back to something, and to simply say "God" is infinite and outside time at the end of the regression is not an argument against me simply saying the "universe" is infinite and outside of time. After all, we can actually see the universe.
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so how did the universe start? personally i don't know one way or another, but i don't see how your theory is any less crazy than the christian one. we know for a fact jesus existed adn that the facts of his life in the bible are fairly accurate (outside of the miracles of course). just like we know for a fact there is a universe.
 
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droski said:
so how did the universe start? personally i don't know one way or another, but i don't see how your theory is any less crazy than the christian one. we know for a fact jesus existed adn that the facts of his life in the bible are fairly accurate (outside of the miracles of course). just like we know for a fact there is a universe.
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So how did God start? We can play that game all day. I understand you are agnostic, just trying to make a point.

While I concede that a man named Jesus more than likely walked in Palenstine 2000 years ago and was executed by the Roman authority, outside of the Bible there is very little, if any, independent confirmation of his life. We don't know a thing about him between childhood and adult life. To me anyway, the "fact" that he did live is not on the same level as the fact that there is a universe.

And the facts around Muhammad's life are pretty well documented and confirmed, but that says jack squat about his divinity.
 
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