Israel vs Palestinians

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Smokey123 said:
Ya, Overall Polls have proven time and time again to be inaccurate. Not sure why that’s hard for you to understand.

If you disagree with that and form your opinion based off polls more power to ya. I don’t. Guess you thought Kamala was winning Iowa?
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Every poll ever posted has been inaccurate. They’re directional. But that may be hard for you to understand.

Nice swerve.
 
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Smokey123 said:
They had thousands in the street protesting against Hamas just 2 months before October 7th. And plenty of times before that too. You think Gazans support being oppressed, Not having clean water, and being arrested and beaten when speaking out?

Stop letting the western media lie to you to fuel more bs wars so more innocent people on both sides die while people profit
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The Palestinian people are very tribalistic and love their factions. The other groups voted for were by and large every bit as radical as Hamas. The only thing that unites many of these rival factions is their hatred and resentment of Jews.

While they may not support Hamas the attacks against Jews in Israel are wildly popular, even among rival factions.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ok, US delisted them. Doesn’t change my opinion (and many others) of their practices.

The US designate Israel as a terror group? Does that inform your opinion of them?
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As far as I know, Fatah renounced terror tactics as part of the Clinton Oslo agreements well before the election in Gaza and they haven't reneged on that. Israel delisted them too around the same time, years before that election. Given that, it's accurate to say that a vote for Fatah in the Gaza election was not a vote for a terror group. So a majority did not vote for any terror group.
 
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KB5252 said:
The Palestinian people are very tribalistic and love their factions. The other groups voted for were by and large every bit as radical as Hamas. The only thing that unites many of these rival factions is their hatred and resentment of Jews.

While they may not support Hamas the attacks against Jews in Israel are wildly popular, even among rival factions.
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Now this is a much better argument and I for the most part agree. I do think the majority (especially among older adults) generally just want to live in peace and support a 2 state solution. But the attacks are still popular (especially in the West Bank)

How we got there and the solution is where we might disagree. I think these Islamic extremist groups are propped up by countries to do the dirty work and then they gain too much power and over throw governments, then indoctrinate the youth and “turn their back” on the countries that fed them. Then these countries bomb tf outta them and innocent civilians die, of course it’s going to breed hatred when you see your house blown up and family die. It’s an endless cycle

That on top of the religious tension/feud. But I look at the citizens as more of byproducts of oppressive regimes. Jews don’t really care for Muslims either there’s a lot of tension but they can live in peace with them. If there was a 2 state solution and Gaza was actually able to get government authorities that cared about its citizens and it was their #1 priority there would be peace. Other countries won’t allow that to happen as long as they keep propping up this extremism

I’m sure the same thing is happening in Syria
 
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Smokey123 said:
They have nobody else to vote for. Outside forces fund and prop them up to do dirty work. It’s an endless cycle and leaves innocent civilians suffering. Israel help start and has funded Hamas. EU help start and fund the PLO. The IRGC funds them all. It’s an endless cycle. You really think people in the Middle East wanna live in awful conditions and get bombed every day of their life while their “leaders” live lavishly in the richest areas of the Middle East? And when they’re not being bombed theyre being slaughtered by their own government
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Apparently so since they do nothing to change their circumstances
 
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KB5252 said:
When it serves the US's or MIC's purpose we do...... absolutely undeniable for anyone being intellectually honest.
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Lol, no sh!t. You think that was a clever observation?

Doesn’t mean, as was alluded to, that either of those States engage in terror as explicit policy like Gaza’s most favored sons.
 
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Smokey123 said:
You can’t refute any statements, You can’t even use facts to back up your arguments. Nice gifs tho
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Again, you making **** up, posting videos that don’t support what you’ve made up and claiming others don’t have facts is laughable.
I’m sure you think J6 was an armed insurrection and the rioters trying to burn the federal buildings in Portland was a mostly peaceful protest.
You’re that useful of an idiot
 
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Smokey123 said:
And if you don’t think/know Hamas was helped started by Israel and then propped up and funded by Israel and BB you should really do some research because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about
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Do you intend on addressing the “why” of that statement or is that not important?
 
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Smokey123 said:
So funding a group doesn’t = supporting terrorism. But living there = supporting terrorism? Ok
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Funding the elected group and leaving them to govern their people is not supporting terrorism.
Are you suggesting that Israel should have cut them off when they elected a terrorist group because I absolutely agree.
 
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EasternVol said:
As far as I know, Fatah renounced terror tactics as part of the Clinton Oslo agreements well before the election in Gaza and they haven't reneged on that. Israel delisted them too around the same time, years before that election. Given that, it's accurate to say that a vote for Fatah in the Gaza election was not a vote for a terror group. So a majority did not vote for any terror group.
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We’re talking about the same Fatah, right? Black September & Martyr Brigades Fatah?

Lol that tiger not changing its stripes.

Doesn’t change my opinion of them.
Especially in 2006.
Especially with Martyr’s Brigades still up at that point.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Now this is a much better argument and I for the most part agree. I do think the majority (especially among older adults) generally just want to live in peace and support a 2 state solution. But the attacks are still popular (especially in the West Bank)

How we got there and the solution is where we might disagree. I think these Islamic extremist groups are propped up by countries to do the dirty work and then they gain too much power and over throw governments, then indoctrinate the youth and “turn their back” on the countries that fed them. Then these countries bomb tf outta them and innocent civilians die, of course it’s going to breed hatred when you see your house blown up and family die. It’s an endless cycle

That on top of the religious tension/feud. But I look at the citizens as more of byproducts of oppressive regimes. Jews don’t really care for Muslims either there’s a lot of tension but they can live in peace with them. If there was a 2 state solution and Gaza was actually able to get government authorities that cared about its citizens and it was their #1 priority there would be peace. Other countries won’t allow that to happen as long as they keep propping up this extremism

I’m sure the same thing is happening in Syria
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Pushing a western idea of government and how they should live is never going to work. They don’t want that. Both sides have plainly stated this is to the death. We should believe them and stop paying for it with money we don’t have.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Funding the elected group and leaving them to govern their people is not supporting terrorism.
Are you suggesting that Israel should have cut them off when they elected a terrorist group because I absolutely agree.
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Let Israel cut off funding to Hamas, and listen to the howls….

Wait, what?! You can’t do thaaaaat!!
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Funding the elected group and leaving them to govern their people is not supporting terrorism.
Are you suggesting that Israel should have cut them off when they elected a terrorist group because I absolutely agree.
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I have some bad news for you if you think the only money they gave was from the aid to Gaza after they took over

Correct. Fund terrorism and then act surprised when terrorist cause terrorism
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Pushing a western idea of government and how they should live is never going to work. They don’t want that. Both sides have plainly stated this is to the death. We should believe them and stop paying for it with money we don’t have.
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Except that’s exactly what the west has done. Fund militias and make them powerful enough to overthrow the government you don’t like. Expect them to be peaceful and govern the way you want, then act surprised when they don’t and bite your hand. It’s an endless cycle
 
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Smokey123 said:
I have some bad news for you if you think the only money they gave was from the aid to Gaza after they took over

Correct. Fund terrorism and then act surprised when terrorist cause terrorism
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That’s all you have is what you think (want to believe)
Reality….they had 15 years to become a country with the entire world helping and they went with “fight to the death” instead of
 
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Smokey123 said:
Except that’s exactly what the west has done. Fund militias and make them powerful enough to overthrow the government you don’t like. Expect them to be peaceful and govern the way you want, then act surprised when they don’t and bite your hand. It’s an endless cycle
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And how’s that working out?
**** those guys.
No more money, not for charity, not for weapons, not for reconstruction, nothing.

We have our own people to think about.
 
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