Israel vs Palestinians

[MemphisVol77]

Expulsions and evacuations of and by who and invasion by who?

Invasion - Military troops from the 6 Arab states that participated in the 47/48 war.

Expulsion and Evacuations - Palestinian Arabs. Evacuations being voluntary and Expulsion being forced by Israel's IDF. I'm not current with the percentages and don't know if the Arab militaries forcibly expelled anyone.

 

[EasternVol]

They ignore a lot and pretend it was about securing an Arab Palestinian State..........

There wouldn't have been an independent Palestine had Israel lost. There would have been a lot less jews and 6 Arab states with expanded borders.

Those other states have always hated Jews so they're not responsible for what happened to the Palestinian Arabs.

Those other states were also new so 'those states always hated' is meaningless. If you mean the people, if they always hated Jews, how was it that Jewish communities were there for ages? Their existence indicates a level of acceptance.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Those other states were also new so 'those states always hated' is meaningless. If you mean the people, if they always hated Jews, how was it that Jewish communities were there for ages? Their existence indicates a level of acceptance.

Egypt? Syria?

How new? Like didn't get to vote in the League of Nations new? Or didn't get to vote in the UN referendum?

"Their existence indicates a level of acceptance."
A level of acceptance, yes. Not at the level of self governing or statehood, but certainly a level.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Lol at #2.

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lol @Biden being responsible for anything over there

 

[Orangeslice13]

They ignore a lot and pretend it was about securing an Arab Palestinian State..........

by a lot you mean Jordan?

 

[EasternVol]

Egypt? Syria?

How new? Like didn't get to vote in the League of Nations new? Or didn't get to vote in the UN referendum?

"Their existence indicates a level of acceptance."
A level of acceptance, yes. Not at the level of self governing or statehood, but certainly a level.

How long have Egypt and Syria been independent?
Acceptance as in 'they are welcome to live here'. Self governing and statehood aren't part of that conversation.

 

[NCFisher]

When and hw was that 73% set aside?
It doesn't ignore that at all. It wasn't like a legal eviction, it was ethnic cleansing. Those relatively few Palestinians who weren't run off did remain.
When were those repeated attempts to extinguish the Jewish state? Expulsions by the Israelis and the Arab countries were wrng on all sides. I believe the Arab countries expelled their Jewish populations as a tit for the Israelis' tat. If they had some sencse they'd regret that. You should look again at who the aggressors were.
How would you rate the Israelis' choices when they have autonomy compared to the Palestinians? I don't see one being markedly wiser than the other, just better armed.

I'd stated it was the Mandate (regarding then TransJordan).

As for "when were those repeated attempts"; from the time Israel declared independence from the British overseers.

That day, the armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq invaded what had just ceased to be the British Mandate, marking the beginning of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The nascent Israeli Defense Force repulsed the Arab nations from part of the occupied territories, thus extending its borders beyond the original UNSCOP partition.[39] By December 1948, Israel controlled most of the portion of Mandate Palestine west of the Jordan River. The remainder of the Mandate consisted of Jordan, the area that came to be called the West Bank (controlled by Jordan), and the Gaza Strip(controlled by Egypt). Before and during this conflict, 713,000[40] Palestinian Arabs fled their original lands to become Palestinian refugees, in part due to a promise from Arab leaders that they would be able to return when the war had been won, and also in part due to attacks on Palestinian villages and towns by Israeli forces and Jewish militant groups.[41]. Arab–Israeli_conflict

As for the part in bold, recall that I said for centuries prior to the Mandate and Israeli independence declaration, Jews had been on the receiving end. It wasn't 'tit for tat', but entirely one-sided; Jews had no military and existed as small, subjected, dhimmi communities in much larger, Arab countries.

'Better armed' has made and written mankind's history. Except for the tiniest slice of relatively recent human history, the natural state of mankind was authoritarian subjugation. Europeans and descent have been better at warfare than most; that's not their problem.

Same with Israelis and Arabs. It's not a question of being wise, moral, or having a 'right to exist', but defending your stuff or taking someone else's. The act of surviving establishes your 'right to exist'.

 

[MemphisVol77]

How long have Egypt and Syria been independent?

Long enough to preemptively plan military invasion.

Acceptance as in 'they are welcome to live here'. Self governing and statehood aren't part of that conversation.

The hell it isn't.

They don't get to invade a few hours (literaly the same day) after Israel declares statehood and claim otherwise.

Tolerating jews while under the yoke of Britain and the Ottomans is a mis characterization of their acceptance. It sure as hell doesn't absolve them of their decisions as independent nation states post ww2.