Israel vs Palestinians

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Orangeslice13 said:
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Calling the actions of Israel ….or mindlessly droning on about it……“war crimes” while ignoring Hamas’s war crimes is disingenuous at best. Hamas is currently committing the war crime of hiding behind civilians, as well as shooting their own citizens who try to leave. Without those crimes then the things you accuse Israel of would not exist. So once again the total responsibility falls directly on Hamas. Again this week Hamas affirmed there can be no Israel for there to be peace so it looks like they have no intention of ending their policy of war crimes.
It’s interesting that the same people who cry about Israel’s “war crimes “ also regularly use the trope “this started before 10/07” as a means to excuse the way more offensive crimes of Hamas.

But I digress
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If it's mindless to mention Israel's war crimes then it's mindless to mention hamas', no? Goose and gander and all that.
You say 'while ignoring Hamas's war crimes' when you well know that nobody here ignores hamas' war crimes.
That 'if Hamas didn't...' sadly didn't happen so we can't play the 'happily ever after' game. Hamas did their vile deeds and now the people there have the fallout. That one side committed war crimes doesn't absolve the other of their own. Hamas is responsible for that they've done and Israel is responsible for what they've done.
I didn't see that hamas affirmed there can be no Isreal. What I've read indicates otherwise, but at this stage hamas' position doesn't matter. It wouldn't be just one side saying that though; several in the Israeli government say that there will absolutely be no Palestinian state.
What's wrong with knowing that the problems started well before 10/7? Is the truth about the situation and history an impediment?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It’s easy to sit in the USA and cast blame. You might have a different point of view if you lived in a country surrounded by those that hate and want to kill you….. especially after they attacked you,
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Agree with this as well. America has a terrible track record with understand foreign people, their cultures, and making the right decision. It is primarily because we live in a bubble of safety with no real enemies and two oceans separating us from the main theaters of conflict.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Sometimes your such a petulant child its sad....you cant dispute that Hamas runs Gaza and therefore aid that is given to the Gazas ruling government is therefore given to Hamas..so instead of arguing a fact, you stomp a cry propaganda...pathetic
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Aid is often not “given to the Gazas ruling government” and opposing humanitarian aid because humanitarian aid is Hamas is hilariously evil
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
who’s going to prosecute these alleged “war crimes”?
And who said anything about the US war crimes when Obama was president and we droned the **** out of everyone. Too many war crimes there to count
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Nobody that matters. "War crimes" is a dumb misnomer since it's the loser that stands trial, should call it the crime of losing a war.
 
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hog88 said:
Nobody that matters. "War crimes" is a dumb misnomer since it's the loser that stands trial, should call it the crime of losing a war.
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War crimes is pretty much stupid in its very focus.

It is nearly impossible to effectively fight a war without civilian casualties for a variety of reasons including the following:

1. Civilian population powers the industry of the war machine and destroying the industry is best method to slow down your opponent
2. Soldiers are conscripted out of civilian population
3. Opponents can have non-uniform combatants that hide in civilian focused targets (i.e. hospitals and schools) to fight you and take advantage of the rules
4. Weapons/Bombs often go off target for a variety of reasons or civilians could stroll into a war zone and get hit

It is literally impossible to stay within the rules. In my opinion, war crimes should only be applied against people that blatantly and openly disregard and even seek to break the rules. I am thinking the Nazis or Milosevic for example.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Aid is often not “given to the Gazas ruling government” and opposing humanitarian aid because humanitarian aid is Hamas is hilariously evil
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Who controls the aid then????
Palestinian Red Crescent or UNRWA both whom showed support for Hamas by supplying them.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Aid is often not “given to the Gazas ruling government” and opposing humanitarian aid because humanitarian aid is Hamas is hilariously evil
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Just curious who you think it is given to? Hamas facilitates distribution no?
 
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KB5252 said:
Just curious who you think it is given to? Hamas facilitates distribution no?
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There are NGOs operating in Gaza, and when we’re discussing “direct funding to governments” it’s pretty ridiculous to equate the Red Crescent receiving trucks full of food for civilians (when Israel doesn’t block them) and Israel receiving military-grade weapons
 
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NashVol11 said:
There are NGOs operating in Gaza, and when we’re discussing “direct funding to governments” it’s pretty ridiculous to equate the Red Crescent receiving trucks full of food for civilians (when Israel doesn’t block them) and Israel receiving military-grade weapons
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That the same red crescent on video helping Hamad terrorist escape from IDF?? Or the same one that Hamas used thier ambulance for an attack?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
That the same red crescent on video helping Hamad terrorist escape from IDF?? Or the same one that Hamas used thier ambulance for an attack?
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Don’t make me tap the sign lol
NashVol11 said:
There are NGOs operating in Gaza, and when we’re discussing “direct funding to governments” it’s pretty ridiculous to equate the Red Crescent receiving trucks full of food for civilians (when Israel doesn’t block them) and Israel receiving military-grade weapons
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@EasternVol it’s paywalled -

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www.wsj.com

WASHINGTON—A new U.S. intelligence assessment found it is likely that some employees of a United Nations agency that distributes aid to Palestinians took part in Hamas’s Oct. 7 assault on Israel, but says the U.S. can’t verify Israeli allegations that a larger number of U.N. workers have links to militant groups, people familiar with the report said.
 
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85SugarVol said:
@EasternVol it’s paywalled -

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www.wsj.com

WASHINGTON—A new U.S. intelligence assessment found it is likely that some employees of a United Nations agency that distributes aid to Palestinians took part in Hamas’s Oct. 7 assault on Israel, but says the U.S. can’t verify Israeli allegations that a larger number of U.N. workers have links to militant groups, people familiar with the report said.
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Thanks. This one may not be as detailed but it's not paywalled:
www.theguardian.com

US intelligence casts doubt on Israeli claims of UNRWA-Hamas links, report says

Intel report says some accusations that aid workers participated in Hamas attacks credible but could not be independently verified
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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www.nbcnews.com

Former Israeli hostage speaks out about captivity

A former hostage held by Hamas in Gaza describes her treatment and the horrors of captivity, including how she never had enough food and water, and how other women were sexually abused by their captors. Her husband, an American, is still being held. NBC News' Molly Hunter reports.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It’s easy to sit in the USA and cast blame. You might have a different point of view if you lived in a country surrounded by those that hate and want to kill you….. especially after they attacked you,
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Keep in mind that they chose to move there and be unruly and belligerent to the indigenous population... that caused a mass immigration problem for their neighbors and created animosity amongst their neighbors.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Keep in mind that they chose to move there and be unruly and belligerent to the indigenous population... that caused a mass immigration problem for their neighbors and created animosity amongst their neighbors.
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Kinda like when black people move into white neighborhoods?
You arguing against that?
 
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EasternVol said:
Thanks. This one may not be as detailed but it's not paywalled:
www.theguardian.com

US intelligence casts doubt on Israeli claims of UNRWA-Hamas links, report says

Intel report says some accusations that aid workers participated in Hamas attacks credible but could not be independently verified
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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The headline is a little misleading in my opinion. It says the US finds the information credible, that some staff participated in the attack, however it could not back up the claims of a larger affiliation (partnership) with Hamas.
 
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jp1 said:
The headline is a little misleading in my opinion. It says the US finds the information credible, that some staff participated in the attack, however it could not back up the claims of a larger affiliation (partnership) with Hamas.
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Well I’m shocked that there would be misleading headlines from someone so dedicated to accuracy and truth.
 
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jp1 said:
The headline is a little misleading in my opinion. It says the US finds the information credible, that some staff participated in the attack, however it could not back up the claims of a larger affiliation (partnership) with Hamas.
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Yet you can read the article. Does it differ from the WSJ's?
 
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