It doesn’t work… it never has…

#28
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vols 30 said:
It's amazing how many UT fans want to go through another coaching change and rebuild.

I'll take an 8-4 season over going thru that BS again
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Ftr I want to keep JH. I don’t think he can ever win the east here but I’ve been around long enough to know 8 win seasons ain’t all that bad
 
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BruinVol said:
I’d love to hear the rebuttal regarding the actual numbers.


The numbers are glaringly different…
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Hole #1: who said he was a genius? I’ve never heard any analyst, coach, or commentator describe him as an “offensive genius.”

He has a non standard wide set, but hurry up is nothing new.
 
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JRich said:
Hole #1: who said he was a genius? I’ve never heard any analyst, coach, or commentator describe him as an “offensive genius.”

He has a non standard wide set, but hurry up is nothing new.
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Ok ok then just look at the info as more of giving of facts.


It seems very concerning to me that CJH scores dang near half the pts when he plays good teams as when he plays the bad ones. That’s a 5 year trend that can’t be a good sign going forward


Taking the emotion away we all know it’s reasonable to score less points against good teams but IMO when those numbers are dang near half that’s just too large of a discrepancy to ignore
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok ok then just look at the info as more of giving of facts.


It seems very concerning to me that CJH scores dang near half the pts when he plays good teams as when he plays the bad ones. That’s a 5 year trend that can’t be a good sign going forward


Taking the emotion away we all know it’s reasonable to score less points against good teams but IMO when those numbers are dang near half that’s just too large of a discrepancy to ignore
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Hole #2: your data set is too small, limited to SEC teams, pull the data for his career to be more accurate. The SEC has arguably the best players and arguably the best defenses in the nation, and UT play’s Alabama every year who is consistently a top 5 team and consistently throws defensive players into the NFL. This further skew your data set.

Hole #3: They beat Bama last year, a quality defense.

Hole #4: Joe Milton
 
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Our problem is mainly quarterback and partly upfront. Our quarterback is not instinctive or decisive and just doesn’t have the touch of a good passer. And as big as he is he isn’t a very good runner at all. He just doesn’t have a good feel for the game. And we could stand to be stronger and tougher upfront on O-Line. GBO
 
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JRich said:
Hole #2: your data set is too small, limited to SEC teams, pull the data for his career to be more accurate. The SEC has arguably the best players and arguably the best defenses in the nation, and UT play’s Alabama every year who is consistently a top 5 team and consistently throws defensive players into the NFL. This further skew your data set.

Hole #3: They beat Bama last year, a quality defense.

Hole #4: Joe Milton
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I used all the opponents (excluding bowl games) so I don’t follow your point about the sample size. It’s 5 years worth of data. And no he didn’t play bama all those years. Only 3/5



His games vs bama actually makes his stats look better so that’s not a hole at all. Heck that closed the scoring gap
 
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JRich said:
I mean, this is likely the case for most teams. You kind of dissolved your own theory here.
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Not at all … just look at Georgia a year ago.. their offense was ranked worse than ours but actually scored more against good teams lol
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Our problem is mainly quarterback and partly upfront. Our quarterback is not instinctive or decisive and just doesn’t have the touch of a good passer. And as big as he is he isn’t a very good runner at all. He just doesn’t have a good feel for the game. And we could stand to be stronger and tougher upfront on O-Line. GBO
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What was our problem last year at Georgia when we had the nations “best” offense ??



Imo it was scheme.. and CJH success or lack their off against elite defenses in his 5 years in the SEC proves it
 
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BruinVol said:
Not at all … just look at Georgia a year ago.. their offense was ranked worse than ours but actually scored more against good teams lol
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You really don’t see what you are saying? Georgia went undefeated and won the National Championship. The talent gap between both teams both years is astronomical.

You’re considering the fact that CJH, with inferior talent struggling to score against “elite defenses” is a problem. Yet he beat an elite defense last year when he had competitive offensive talent, including an NFL QB.

Your whole premise is based on saying if he scores a bunch the defense isn’t good, but if he doesn’t, the defense must be great.

He scored 16 against UF, is their defense elite? 20 against A&M, are they an elite defense? The problem is he had a crappy QB and crappy WR this year.
 
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JRich said:
You really don’t see what you are saying? Georgia went undefeated and won the National Championship. The talent gap between both teams both years is astronomical.

You’re considering the fact that CJH, with inferior talent struggling to score against “elite defenses” is a problem. Yet he beat an elite defense last year when he had competitive offensive talent, including an NFL QB.

Your whole premise is based on saying if he scores a bunch the defense isn’t good, but if he doesn’t, the defense must be great.

He scored 16 against UF, is their defense elite? 20 against A&M, are they an elite defense? The problem is he had a crappy QB and crappy WR this year.
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My entire premise is this offensive scheme isn’t equipped to consistently put us successful stats against good defenses… my numbers prove it.



Couple that with the built in stress this offense puts on our defense it means we are never winning an SEC east title much less a conference title with CJH. There is no such thing as complimentary football with this scheme
 
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BruinVol said:
The absolute ceiling for this staff


Great year but yea still got destroyed by Georgia’s defense last year
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Actually, Hooker overthrew a few tds in that game, could have been a different story, not to mention lack of defense has always been what holds his team's back too.
 
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I think you might be on to something, OP. You just need comparative data. What you'll need to do is find the stats of another coach in year 3 of a rebuild that followed decades of inept administration and on field performance, the emergence of NIL and the portal etc...then and only then will your theory of he scores more against bad teams earn you that Pullitzer.
 
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OP you might want to check the talent gap between Tennessee and Georgia right now before you make yourself look like the idiot you surely are making yourself out to be.

Edit: also look at our injuries. We had walk ons at DB last night. We are starting 4th string Lbs. Our offensive line was mcguyvered together with paperclips and shoestrings.
 
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JRich said:
Hole #2: your data set is too small, limited to SEC teams, pull the data for his career to be more accurate. The SEC has arguably the best players and arguably the best defenses in the nation, and UT play’s Alabama every year who is consistently a top 5 team and consistently throws defensive players into the NFL. This further skew your data set.

Hole #3: They beat Bama last year, a quality defense.

Hole #4: Joe Milton
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But but you said a dozen donuts!
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Our problem is mainly quarterback and partly upfront. Our quarterback is not instinctive or decisive and just doesn’t have the touch of a good passer. And as big as he is he isn’t a very good runner at all. He just doesn’t have a good feel for the game. And we could stand to be stronger and tougher upfront on O-Line. GBO
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💯 true......
 
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