It Just Takes Time

#27
#27
According to NFL draft buzz, we have 4 players who will be drafted. OSU has 16. Daft picks are a lagging indicator but one we can definitely look at to tell us we’re not w here we want to be as far as talent level goes. We need another good tear in the portal to improve our talent level.
 
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The Original Fade said:
In today’s college football it doesn’t take time so I wholeheartedly disagree. Players have zero loyalty to schools and coaches, just the almighty dollar. If there’s a talent gap between us and the team going to the championship game then get out the checkbook and start scratching checks to the best DBs, OLs, and WRs in college football. We’ll get to the next level instantly
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Writing hefty checks is one way to get ahead - but it’s not the only way and by itself, it will not win championships. You have to have development, you have to have an ability to look critically at your own approach - whether that be playcalling, player development, schemes, position coaching, or assistants. I do not see that in this staff at all. Sorry, I just don’t. If Heupel is what we all hope he is, this offseason should be the beginning of a purge of some questionable assistants and position coaches.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Old adage - you can’t coach speed. Kelley went after out linebackers and safeties early and often. Reminded me of how Spurrier attacked our defenses in the early/mid nineties.
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Yeah. We're 4 years in.. You'd think we'd be better back there by now.. We keep losing those recruiting battles to the teams still playing ball.. I have nothing against Willy Martinez but I've yet to see him have a real good secondary, ever..
 
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So all those who respond, "no, it doesn't take time, look at all these guys (like Larry Coker, I guess?) who won a championship in their first or second year....

...are you saying General Neyland was a scrub because he didn't? Or Tony Vitello? Or Pat Summitt?

For that matter, Nick Saban didn't win a national title until his 9th year as head coach at the Power 5 level, and 4th season at LSU. Guess he's a scrub too?

Think about what you're implying.

Lightning CAN strike in a bottle. But it usually doesn't.

It just takes time. We're getting there.

Go Vols!
 
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I agree with the OP and 2nd post (JP & unfrozen). It does take time and we’ve improved Considerably.

We did get whipped in almost every aspect of the game in every way. The eyes tell me a large part of that was the talent gap and experience between the two teams. The comparison to Iowa is spot on. We just looked slow comparatively. We also have a young quarterback compared to their super senior.

the bummer is we made life a little harder by getting boat raced like that… was hoping for a closer game at minimum. I think a performance like last night will hurt recruiting a little. Now the coaching staff has to sell the idea that they are "close" and just need a few more Jimmys and Joes.
 
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DooleyOrangePants said:
I don’t mind nice. But there comes a time when you have to get stern and make some examples. Last night, you had no more than a handful of Vols that got on that field that gave a crap. By the second half when things were well in hand, he should have benched every single one of the guys that had checked out and let someone else get a turn. Give up 60-70, dont care - but there were a lot of guys that didn’t deserve to be wearing orange last night.

No scheming. No adjustments. No accountability on the staff. Just the same old tired platitudes when we crap the bed.
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I hope Santa brings you that bicycle for Christmas
 
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#37
Some players on this team seem to be just along for the ride $.
You can look at the offensive line for starters.

I recall when strength and conditioning was a hot topic around here.
It appears to me that's still an issue.
 
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The Original Fade said:
In today’s college football it doesn’t take time so I wholeheartedly disagree. Players have zero loyalty to schools and coaches, just the almighty dollar. If there’s a talent gap between us and the team going to the championship game then get out the checkbook and start scratching checks to the best DBs, OLs, and WRs in college football. We’ll get to the next level instantly
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Not with this coaching staff.
 
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cbrown said:
The talent gap was painfully on display last night. I don’t know if we have more than three starters that could start for Ohio State. We prolly also have a few starters that couldn’t crack their two-deep. Recruiting is going to have to improve.
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I never want to hear about how amazing the DL is again. 2 big games, 2 complete no shows. Feasted on weak offenses.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
We're getting there, slow but sure. Have some patience. Keep demanding championships, but have patience about it.

Rick Barnes has been our head basketball coach for going on ten seasons. In his third season, he started showing real progress (tied for first in conference regular season), but it wasn't until his ninth year, last year, that we outright won the conference and broke through the Sweet Sixteen into the Elite Eight. He's on the verge of national championships, after a lot of work and climbing.

Tony Vitello has been our head baseball coach for seven seasons. It wasn't until his fourth that we got to the College World Series. And it wasn't until his seventh season, last year, that we won the national crown.

Josh Heupel is in his fourth year. Four years from when we were a train wreck of a program. And he's showing the same progression as our other two major-sport men's coaches. Steady climb.

This year, we made the playoffs for the first time. We were a contender for the national championship for the first time since 1998, even if only briefly.

There's room to improve, for sure. It will come. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither were any of our athletic programs.

A bit of patience. Even better things coming.

Go Vols!

p.s. And remember, it wasn't until her fifth season that Pat Summitt won the conference, her eighth season that she got to the Final Four for the first time, and her thirteenth season that she won her first national title!

General Neyland was exceptional in that he tied for the conference title his second season, but even he didn't win his first national crown until his twelfth year.

We're all hoping Kim Caldwell is even more exceptional and can do something amazing in her first year, but generally speaking...it takes time to grow a champion.

Go Vols!
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We sucked and are not even close , we could do nothing vs OSU, just like we could do nothing vs Ga . SEC is a bunch of teams just like us delusional fans who think their conference is tough and all get drubbed by the 2 best teams in it.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
We're getting there, slow but sure. Have some patience. Keep demanding championships, but have patience about it.

Rick Barnes has been our head basketball coach for going on ten seasons. In his third season, he started showing real progress (tied for first in conference regular season), but it wasn't until his ninth year, last year, that we outright won the conference and broke through the Sweet Sixteen into the Elite Eight. He's on the verge of national championships, after a lot of work and climbing.

Tony Vitello has been our head baseball coach for seven seasons. It wasn't until his fourth that we got to the College World Series. And it wasn't until his seventh season, last year, that we won the national crown.

Josh Heupel is in his fourth year. Four years from when we were a train wreck of a program. And he's showing the same progression as our other two major-sport men's coaches. Steady climb.

This year, we made the playoffs for the first time. We were a contender for the national championship for the first time since 1998, even if only briefly.

There's room to improve, for sure. It will come. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither were any of our athletic programs.

A bit of patience. Even better things coming.

Go Vols!

p.s. And remember, it wasn't until her fifth season that Pat Summitt won the conference, her eighth season that she got to the Final Four for the first time, and her thirteenth season that she won her first national title!

General Neyland was exceptional in that he tied for the conference title his second season, but even he didn't win his first national crown until his twelfth year.

We're all hoping Kim Caldwell is even more exceptional and can do something amazing in her first year, but generally speaking...it takes time to grow a champion.

Go Vols!
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Lol we aren’t getting there. This was probably a high water mark because Heupel can’t win on the road
 
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