It scares me

[Fijivol72]

It all boils down to this staff's ability to recruit. If they can then they will turn it around if they can't then 2 and done. By the way Kiffin is smoking recruiting right now what is our coach doing? We are offering local kids who have no other offers that is what he is doing. Back to the golf course so flame away, I won't be around.

 

[PentagonVol]

There are two things that scare me: nuclear weapons and carneys.
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Priceless!

 

[Smokeybluetick]

It scares me that i am more excited about baketball season than i am about the upcoming football season.

I think it was because last offseason it was so exciting and we where in it for the best players in the country. i loved our staff and they knew how to go get kids and what they wanted to hear.

with this new staff im worried thats all. dont hate on me because you know alot of people are.

bruce pearl is the model of what it taked to recruit and get attention to your school and to win.

coach dooley is a no nonsense type that doesint really come off well in front of a camra ( and before you say that doesint matter then you dont understand what kind of world we live in today.)

i think dooleys only chance is if he can come in and win with these players and really shock people. because if he doesint he will be so far behind flordia, alabama, auburn, LSU that he wont be able to recover. thats my 2cents

You must be some kinda girly girl!! Grow a set!

 

[amershamvol]

Flash doesn't matter jack. Look at nick saban. Dooley has a very similar personality. And as for character, frank beamer at va tech is a character guy and he has built a powerhouse program. Dooley is going to be different from all other coaches, let's give the guy a chance.
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[sjt18]

Wow. That was a long reply.
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Difficult to respond to that much non-sense in one sentence.

 

[sjt18]

It all boils down to this staff's ability to recruit. If they can then they will turn it around if they can't then 2 and done. By the way Kiffin is smoking recruiting right now what is our coach doing? We are offering local kids who have no other offers that is what he is doing. Back to the golf course so flame away, I won't be around.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-recruiting/100406-visitors-orange-white-game-2.html

Help yourself to this... I'm not sure why you are still in denial. DD may be a horrible coach. We'll see soon enough. But all things considered, UT recruiting actually appears to be AHEAD of where it was this time last year.

 

[utvolpj]

It all boils down to this staff's ability to recruit. If they can then they will turn it around if they can't then 2 and done. By the way Kiffin is smoking recruiting right now what is our coach doing? We are offering local kids who have no other offers that is what he is doing. Back to the golf course so flame away, I won't be around.

you keep asking like there's nothing around you can check to see if this staff can recruit. Do a little research on your own and you may be more informed

Tennessee Vols Recruiting - VolNation

 

[sjt18]

Believe whatever you want. What exactly have you seen from our coach to make you think he’ll win at Tennessee. Other than retaining Chaney and Thompson what single thing has he done correctly?

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-recruiting/100406-visitors-orange-white-game-2.html

Pay special attention to Lord Vader's comments at the top... he's probably the most recruiting savvy person on this board now.

Besides that, he has a OL coach with a superb college resume to go with a Super Bowl ring. He hired Baggett who has an excellent resume. He hired Chuck Smith who is exceptional... recruits get stars in their eyes when they look at the list of NFL players who have come to HIM for help.

Apparently he told BB that he had to earn the RB position. Told Stephens that he wouldn't be handed the QB position. Held together a top 10 class and even added great players to it with half a staff and only 2.5 weeks until NSD. Shut the media out so that his young team could go throurh their learning curve without the added pressure just now.

I could give you a list of things he's done that I don't like too... but I'm answering you right now.

 

[bofa]

This thread has turned into a Dooley debate and I won't comment on that as I think he at least needs to coach a game or two before we start slinging judgements around. But concerning the original title of the thread...I don't post much but I'm on here almost every day to check out whats going on. Since the end of basketball season I've spent about 3 times as much time in the basketball forum as I have in the football forum which is HIGHLY unusual for me even during basketball season. It feels pretty weird. But I guess I feel like even if Dooley is a home run hire, its going to be a couple of years before it starts to show while I feel like we are on the cusp of great things in the near future in bball (with or without selby).

 

[WA_Vol]

It scares me that i am more excited about baketball season than i am about the upcoming football season.

I've noticed the same thing about myself.

I am a bigger football fan then basketball, but because of the state of the 2 programs I find myself interested in the basketball program now more then ever. The basketball forum is more upbeat, optimistic.

 

[3 Rocky Top Cove]

It all boils down to this staff's ability to recruit. If they can then they will turn it around if they can't then 2 and done. By the way Kiffin is smoking recruiting right now what is our coach doing? We are offering local kids who have no other offers that is what he is doing. Back to the golf course so flame away, I won't be around.

I agree with the blue part. The answer to your question in red is on the recruiting forum.

Enjoy the golf course. In fact, why don't you just stay there until football starts? We would enjoy it almost as much as you!

 

[volsof09]

coach dooley is a no nonsense type that doesint really come off well in front of a camra ( and before you say that doesint matter then you dont understand what kind of world we live in today.)

I think CDD really does come off well in front of the camera he is a nice guy and anwsers every question the media ask. Kiffin is probably the guy that you're talking about.

 

[NashVol11]

And he has also managed not to offend or insult every other coach in the SEC.

Why does this matter at all...people seem to forget that after we pissed off big, bad Florida ("awakened a sleeping giant," Pearl Harbor-style) we lost by a whole 10 points...

 

[NashVol11]

I think CDD really does come off well in front of the camera he is a nice guy and anwsers every question the media ask. Kiffin is probably the guy that you're talking about.

This. Dooley is a good public speaker; he's a lawyer. He just doesn't do it much.

 

[VOLocity]

Give Dooley a chance. UT is already better off that Kiffin is gone. He's in the mix for Esquire Magazine's "Sexiest Woman Alive" contest, which is sad btw. Hopefully there will be less drama with Dooley in town. Also, UF could suck. Tebow is gone and Meyer may have a nervous breakdown. It's like a child missing a blankie.

 

[NashVol11]

The best record at UT between the two of them so far is 7-6... and I find that completely dissatisfying.

What exactly were you expecting? 10-2?

Wait, let me guess..."No, I was just expecting Kiffin to stay instead of ruining so many lives by taking a better job. He's basically on a level with Timothy McVeigh."

 

[tennesseekilt]

Nope, I think in a couple of years we will be real happy because we are good at both. It is nice to be good in basketball, but most of us would trade a national championship in basketball for one football victory over Florida or Alabama.

The ONLY thing I would trade a NC in basketball for is a NC in football - that's it.

 

[PA Vol]

DD has to win whether he has good media presence or not. That's the same for all coaches. The flash and glitz can only last so long.

and theres no better time for the flash and glitz than the beginning of the season of a stagnant program thats trying to build itself up.

simply put, dooley is boring. the elite talent wont be gaga over UT unless we start winning. dooley just doesnt have a jazz that other top-notch recruiters have, and UT isnt a powerhouse that can draw attention to itself on the field.

im still waiting to decide if im going to buy my ticket for the dooley-train. call me warm-weather or not, i wasnt thrilled when he was hired. i hope he does well, but right now i cant tell...

 

[sjt18]

What exactly were you expecting? 10-2?

Last year, no. Eventually.. YES. When/if Dooley does it, I'll be satisfied. Kiffin will never do it at UT. So if I had to grade his tenure it would be "unsatisfactory".

Wait, let me guess..."No, I was just expecting Kiffin to stay instead of ruining so many lives by taking a better job. He's basically on a level with Timothy McVeigh."

No he's not McVeigh... and argument by exaggeration doesn't prove anything except that you can't argue the substance.

Kiffin IS low class and lack common integrity/morality. I know that bothers you really, really bad for some reason... but that doesn't change the absolute truth of the matter. When face with the choice of what he wanted or what he had committed to... he chose himself.

 

[VolInMusicCity]

I am shocked by the amount of people who defend Kiffin on here. Just like the Fulmerites couldn't admit that it was time for a change the anti-Fulmerites can't admit that Lane Kiffin was terrible for our program. We are in no better shape because he was here. His overrated recruiting class has, for the most part, left Knoxville now. Just because you saw Tennessee on SportsCenter more last year than in previous years doesn't mean we were any better or are any better today. Kiffin was bad for Tennessee.

Would he have turned it around if he had stayed 6, 8, 10 years? We'll never know. What we do know is that Derek Dooley has a more difficult task in front of him today because of the mess Kiffin left.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Please explain the correlation between how excited you are and success on the field. What did excitement get you last year? A 7-6 record. A coach that betrayed UT... and a top 10 recruiting class that was maybe 3 or 4 spots below what it would have been had Kiffin not stabbed UT in the back 3 weeks before NSD.

So you admit that you are basically pining for Kiffin. Let the man crush go... he's gone. He doesn't love you anymore... he never did. He was just using you to get what he really wanted.

So you effectively loved the staff because they lied to recruits?

FWIW, UT looks to be in on many of the same caliber of players that would have been realistic "gets" had the old staff stayed. This staff is just focusing on talent that's closer to home and not wasting their time chasing long shots.

I'm glad I suppose that it made you "feel good" that UT was "in on" guys who weren't going to sign with UT... I like the GA strategy myself.

I was worried about the old staff... You apparently weren't... and where did that get you?

I have not bought into DD. I had not bought into CLK. Both did/have done things I like and things I don't like. The best record at UT between the two of them so far is 7-6... and I find that completely dissatisfying.

Don't want to be too hard on you but BB recruiting vs football recruiting is an apples to oranges comparison. You can win a NC in basketball with one good recruiting class. You need 2-5 in a row for football.

Yes I do and no it doesn't. Many different styles work. The most important thing for CLK was to make as much noise as possible. The most important thing for DD is to visit as many living rooms, kitchen tables, and coaches' offices as possible. There are different routes to the same goal.

While CLK was getting kicked out of schools last year, DD is building/reinforcing relationships with coaches at the some of the best FB HS's in the SE.

If it works to get talent and DD can coach then his method will yield the best chance for long term success. Face it, CLK was building a resume... not a program... at UT.



CLK was probably going to give UT 3 or 4 years. Maybe one championship but who knows. In his wake, someone else would still have to either do it exactly the same way or do what Dooley is doing and establish credibility with coaches and players in the SE.

It is very apparent that CLK recruited players to himself and not to UT. It was about CLK's success, not UT's. If he had built a team that way there would have been mass attrition when he left.

Your "fear" is misplaced. If DD fails it will be because he can't coach and not because he can't get the talent to win IMO. If he's fired in 3 years, he will leave the program at least as well off as it would have been had Kiffin quit after 3 years.

Once I read the opening statements, I just tuned out... very condescending post right there, sir.The reason why they are called fans is because they are fanatics. It's is an emotional feeling, not necessarily based on sound logic or reasoning. We want to "feel" good about our team.

Relax

 

[Shaun1985]

ROFL, I've been more excited about basketball than football for about 5 years now.

 

[Volfootball55]

It all boils down to this staff's ability to recruit. If they can then they will turn it around if they can't then 2 and done. By the way Kiffin is smoking recruiting right now what is our coach doing? We are offering local kids who have no other offers that is what he is doing. Back to the golf course so flame away, I won't be around.

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[sjt18]

Once I read the opening statements, I just tuned out... very condescending post right there, sir.The reason why they are called fans is because they are fanatics. It's is an emotional feeling, not necessarily based on sound logic or reasoning. We want to "feel" good about our team.

Relax

Whatever.

Condescending or not it is abject stupidity to get "feelings" about assumptions that are actually contrary to alot of the direct evidence.

Facts>>> Thought>>> Feeling

You can call it anything you want but "feelings" should be in response to "facts"... feelings should not jade reasoning of the facts.

I actually "feel" good about the FACT that the visitor list for this O&W game is better than the one last year... in spite of the fact that this staff has had less time to work on recruits.

I don't "feel" good about the fact that UT went 7-6 and left two wins on the table while being blown out by a couple of teams that shouldn't have.

I want to "feel" good about our team too... but because of something real rather than imagined.