It still boils down to coaching!!

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peerless98 said:
Makes a lot of sense with a decent lead at the half after outplaying the #1 team in the country for 20 minutes. What adjustments would you make, coach?
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well I think a great place to start would have been creating more open shots on the perimeter, particularly for barton. 2-13 won't win you many games. Barton only took two threes. In our big games, he's drilling them. And that becomes an even bigger problem if Mcrae isn't hitting. It doesn't take a coach to see that's a problem.
 
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vol66 said:
Well...pardon my ignorance if you will...they didn't do crap in the first half, they were trailing by 7, should have been 10 had Moore, I believe it was Moore, gotten up a little tighter to Wilbikin...that's not coaching that's a player not doing his f'n job...You know, should the coach have to point out that the SEC POY is coming down the court with seconds on the clock...anyway...

How many points did Wilbikin have in the second half? Two? I don't know, I'm asking.

I believe our guys played their hearts out. I believe Florida is all it's cracked up to be in terms of the SEC. We missed some foul shots. Maymon got his T...it slipped away, they were more composed...

I know what it was not. Florida didn't play bad, we made them play bad...for a half and then some.
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To say nobody played bad on a 56-49 game is a bit off imo.
 
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BOP said:
To say nobody played bad on a 56-49 game is a bit off imo.
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UF is one of the best defenses in the country, we were shooting lay ups on them...lay ups...in the first half...what...forget it.
 
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BOP said:
They aren't the best team in the nation. If you think there are more than a few ncaa tourney teams out there that would have scored.only 14 in the 2nd half today you are sadly mistaken. If you buy into jimmy dykes garbage about that press being impossible to score on you are crazy. There are teams all over the country that would have them out of that press in 5 possessions.
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Strange we haven't ever met one of these teams from all over the country, because we sure have played a lot of the best ones.

Let's see, there's Kansas, Memphis, Wisconsin, UConn, Kentucky.

Win or lose, none of those teams broke our press enough to make us quit running it.

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The score was 56-49. What do florida and tennessee allow per game on average? Whats hard to understand?
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Well, let's see, UF is #6 in the country in scoring defense and only allows an average of 58.5 points per game; so today was business as usual for us.

We've held Wisky to 59, UConn to 65, Kansas to 61, UGA to 50, UT to 41, 58, and 49, Mizzou to 58 and 49, UK to 59 and 65, and all those teams are 20+win teams. We even held the TAMU team that beat you to 36 points.

Not sure what you're missing, but UF is in elite company defensively, as is customary with Donovan's teams.

BOP said:
To say nobody played bad on a 56-49 game is a bit off imo.
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If I see a score like 80-76 I don't THINK somebody played poorly; I KNOW both teams played poorly... no defense whatsoever.
 
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darkgable said:
Bruce is not coming back. You can hate from know until the end of his show cause. Zo will still be the coach. Which puts a smile on my face for those who grovel in self pity and ridicule. It won't cause a coaching change. Point out every flaw in victory and or defeat. Zo is still here. Sign a petition. Zo is the coach.
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You must love mediocrity.
 
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BOP said:
Any team that can make shots or beat a soft press would have beaten Florida soundly today.
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Hey, you got a good point there...however you do realize not many teams have beat this Florida team...you do realize this don't you:whistling:.
 
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No team is going to win many, if any games hitting 5 of 20 shots and turning the ball over 11 times in the second half of game.
 
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The only way you beat a press that stifling is to go small. Insert your better ball handlers and use quickness to win in transition. You don't beat Florida with Maymon taking the ball up the floor such as he did numerous times. By the end of the 2nd half, our boys only had 20 seconds to run a play after crossing half court, and they were gassed, no legs, no shot. They played a good game, but should have won. So I am in the camp that too few adjustments were made by the coach, once again.
 
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darkgable said:
Some of you all got this basketball thing all figured out.
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I am a casual hoops fan who admittedly knows zilch about the game of basketball, but I have always dropped into the forum from time to time to lurk and from the casual fan perspective, the temperature of the program has seemed lukewarm at best since CCM took the position. It seems that many argue that fans have unrealistic expectations for the team and persecute CCM unjustly. Not sure if that is true or not, but it doesn't appear that he has the ability to bring a NC to UT and regardless of the history of the men's basketball team, the absence of that hope shouldn't be a tolerated part of the program given the facilities, available resources, and the body of work of the coach that preceeded him. Just my worthless two pennies.
 
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In the middle of the 7 minute scoring drought 2nd half do you not call a timeout, set a play, to get some points before the game slips away?
 
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BOP said:
They aren't the best team in the nation. If you think there are more than a few ncaa tourney teams out there that would have scored.only 14 in the 2nd half today you are sadly mistaken. If you buy into jimmy dykes garbage about that press being impossible to score on you are crazy. There are teams all over the country that would have them out of that press in 5 possessions.
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They went cold. Not sure why as I haven't watched the game again. But a heck of a lot of it had to do with the quality of Fla. play under their defensive glass. That and their press, which ate just a few seconds off the shot clock forcing the VOLS into a few hurried shots.
 
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darkgable said:
Bruce is not coming back. You can hate from know until the end of his show cause. Zo will still be the coach. Which puts a smile on my face for those who grovel in self pity and ridicule. It won't cause a coaching change. Point out every flaw in victory and or defeat. Zo is still here. Sign a petition. Zo is the coach.
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That has nothing to do with CM coaching scared and not making adjustments yesterday as he reverted back to losing coaching vs winning.
If that puts a smile on your face, your agenda involves something besides winning basketball.
 
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How good Florida is remains to be seen. They have benefitted from the weakest SEC I can remember. All there losses were out of conference if that tells you anything. The SEC consist of Florida then everybody else and everybody else is very average to bad. KY is even bad. They've also been the beneficiary of a weak conference. Put them in a good conference and I think they very well could be a .500 team.
 
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darkgable said:
Bruce is not coming back. You can hate from know until the end of his show cause. Zo will still be the coach. Which puts a smile on my face for those who grovel in self pity and ridicule. It won't cause a coaching change. Point out every flaw in victory and or defeat. Zo is still here. Sign a petition. Zo is the coach.
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Nobody said anything about anyone coming back - you can sit back and smile all you want but I predicted it would be a close game -which it was and that it would come down to coaching - which it did and that as a result of better coaching - Florida would win.

We have underachieved and at times been poorly coached. Any game that was close - we lost. I still like coach Zo but at best this is on the job training and your smirky smile may come back to bite you next year if Stokes leaves.
 
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rocketvol said:
Ok, I read EVERY thread, and nobody has said this. It may seem like it, but not like this!
We lost this game due to one reason: coaching!! Or lack thereof.
1. Was this team motivated and did they play hard? Damn right! Was it because of coaching? Hard to tell, but anyone who's ever played sports knows you don't need a coach to motivate you. S
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I agree that coaching is not always great. But it is quite comical that when we play bad, people blame the coach for not motivating his players. Then, when we play with passion and lose, people say that the players don't need a coach to motivate them. Just ridiculous.

Yes, players do need to be motivated, even at the college level. It may not be the same kind of motivation as trying to motivate a 10 year old. It's quite simple. Our players play hard and are "motivated." The issue is the scheme is not always the best, and our offense struggles at times.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
How good Florida is remains to be seen. They have benefitted from the weakest SEC I can remember. All there losses were out of conference if that tells you anything. The SEC consist of Florida then everybody else and everybody else is very average to bad. KY is even bad. They've also been the beneficiary of a weak conference. Put them in a good conference and I think they very well could be a .500 team.
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They lost 2 games. By a combined 7 points.

And .500? Seriously?
 
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SmokeyLives said:
The only way you beat a press that stifling is to go small. Insert your better ball handlers and use quickness to win in transition. You don't beat Florida with Maymon taking the ball up the floor such as he did numerous times. By the end of the 2nd half, our boys only had 20 seconds to run a play after crossing half court, and they were gassed, no legs, no shot. They played a good game, but should have won. So I am in the camp that too few adjustments were made by the coach, once again.
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Maymon has always been a point forward type of player, like Pearl used with Tyler Smith. He can handle the ball. He just made a mistake continuing to dribble. He should have been aware of someone behind him or pulled up to the side. He needed to be in the game for rebounding because they were playing Young, Yguette, and even Finney-Smith.
 
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BOP said:
Did you watch the game?
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You mean the one yesterday that, for the most part, we outplayed the #1 team in the country for the majority of the game? The real question should be why are folks trying to play coach; I don't recall anybody on this forum screaming for adjustments at halftime. Insisting that players hustle and step towards passes to shorten them is not an adjustment. You are trying to defend someone else's stupid comment, and you are starting to look silly.
 
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BOP said:
Youd start with the obvious. Tell our players to make a move or pass the ball before the double team gets there and not just wait for it both in the post and on the press break.
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This post is proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Nobody said anything about anyone coming back - you can sit back and smile all you want but I predicted it would be a close game -which it was and that it would come down to coaching - which it did and that as a result of better coaching - Florida would win.

We have underachieved and at times been poorly coached. Any game that was close - we lost. I still like coach Zo but at best this is on the job training and your smirky smile may come back to bite you next year if Stokes leaves.
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Silly. Coaching had nothing to do with the loss. Two bad plays by two of our players had a lot to do with the loss.
 
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